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Avant Garde - What does it mean?
I know this is going to make me sound dumb, but what exactly is avant garde? So far the only thing I can find is that it is unexpected. I don't know if that's even right.

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Avant garde are the people and things that are progressive. It is always comprised of a small vanguard of intellectuals and aesthetes who are more advanced than the general population (kind of like TFSers! :p). The avant garde always prevent stagnation in art by pushing the boundaries

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Oh I just did a Wikipedia search for you and the definitions are pretty good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avant-garde

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Thank you so much! I read some other stuff about it, but it didn't make any sense to me.

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avant-garde is a cliché
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usually when i go to fashion exhibitions, e.g pitti immagine uomo, avant-grand always refers to some more sophisticated clothes sections like suits and formal wears...

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avant-garde is a cliché
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Well in terms of it being an oft-used expression yes, but not in terms of it being an obsolete term.

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Well in terms of it being an oft-used expression yes, but not in terms of it being an obsolete term.
I suppose you could argue that taking avant garde in the sense of being 'ahead of time', it is impossible to escape time, thus it could be seen as false...

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Avant Guarde is a frech words that refers to the position in a sword. The "Garde" is the piece that separated the blade from the handle. Therefore "Avant (la) Guarde" is the state of being before the blade, on the handle, guiding the movement.

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/\ Hmmm, Ok - if we are here to show off our knowledge, then that term really was appropriated by the art world from the military world, where it meant a small group of highly-skilled soldiers that went ahead of the main troops on a scouting-skirmish-recon mission. It was easy to appropriate for the modernist artists because it automatically described them as being ahead of the pack, being highly skilled, and having a vision ahead of everyone. In any case, Sienna's definition is on the dot, I think.

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/\ Hmmm, Ok - if we are here to show off our knowledge, then that term really was appropriated by the art world from the military world, where it meant a small group of highly-skilled soldiers that went ahead of the main troops on a scouting-skirmish-recon mission. It was easy to appropriate for the modernist artists because it automatically described them as being ahead of the pack, being highly skilled, and having a vision ahead of everyone. In any case, Sienna's definition is on the dot, I think.
I think this is a case for CT Onions...

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There is a great essay by Clements Greenburg called "Avante Garde and Kitsch"

It's about why the masses tend to favor cliche and popular art that is perhaps low brow over something truly progressive.

Anyone interested in anything remotely related to to applied art, plastic arts, or visual culture (architecture, art, fashion, advertising, etc) should make a point to read it

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and sienna and faust are right on the money

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sounds like a interesting article, can you post it?

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