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hmmm
As ex med student and actual fashion student its easy to explain how the ideas emerge. You can think your brain as a computer with an OS (operating system) the things you learn get it in to your system, your brain summarizes all the info (recycling ) then you got the ideas. That sounds simple huh? well its not that easy, your brain follows certain rules, if you introduce more information you will have better ideas. Your neuronal cells will have more synapsys and you will "mix" those ideas in order to create new things.

Like Gius said, you also need to know about de composition rules, cromathic theory, design basis, a lot of common sense, a huge mount of information, a little bit of creativity theory and technichs to increase your creativity and you will have excellent ideas.

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hello panda :p thanks for the post
what kinds of things do you mean by creativity theory?

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Hi Gius, by creativity theory i meant all the neurological, psychological and pedagogycal issues about what we call the creativity, But well, you do not need to be a professional to understand all the theory. Theres a lot of books in the market where you can learn about it in an easy way for designers I specially recommend:

-How Designers Think, The Design Process Demystified, Lawson
-Explaining creativity Oxford press R. Keith
-Brainstorming principles, Rossiter
-Scientific american, 16-1 how brilliance arises creativity
for fashion specifically would be:
-research and design simon seivewright
-studio et produits olivier gerval

and a huge etc.

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By the way, your blog is very interesting.

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Thank you

I have read Simon Seivewright's book and was going to post a summary about it here :p He has a nice way of categorizing all the 'ingredients' for a design.. colour inspiration, texture/fabric inspiration, shape and all...

You know what I am looking for...
In my 2D design class, that I took a long time ago
we were playing with typography and we used a couple of "ideas" or themes to create designs from using text.

They were...
-distance
-closure
-combination

And it was just so enjoyable to play with these ideas using only text...
I was wondering if there are books that talk about this?
I couldn't find any typography book that had "combining/combination" in it as a technique or theory. What it is, is using text to form a shape, it becomes an image...

Distance is about the spacing between letters
Closure is about a shape forming even when the letters are placed far apart. Your "mind" connects the forms together to form a shape... I think is also called "gestalt"

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thanks panda for the list of books. i was just thinking where i can find classes or discussions on the subject of all these rules and theory.

so when we see a fashion designer having designs that looks very similar to another designer's work or a certain culture's traditional look, does this mean the designer havent spread the net of interest far enough and end up duplicating a design that is already been done subconciously?

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last year when i was in foundation in csm, we mostly learned how to develop ideas and documenting it in sketchbook. the documenting part was a torment for me, since i cant catch up with my own internal process system.
people tell me i come up with some pretty good ideas but i have no idea where they come from. these days however i feel rather empty and vague and nothing is coming to me, i cant even hold a pencil and draw a decent line without feeling strained. i feel like sumire.

anyways. sometimes i find plainly exploring ideas on paper with various deliberate inspiration rather limiting, this applies to fashion of course.
in the bauhaus post on the previous page by gius, you said the teachers ask the students to do these experiments and see whether a certain student is good at responding to lines, shape, value or texture and im pretty sure im quite a linear person. so naturally when it comes to designs for garment, i am fascinated with the seams on the garment, the way the seams direct the flow of the eyes around the body. and a certain cut that create a silhouette.
as you can tell, im not a very textile person. before when i think of designs and shapes, i always tend to think in singular texture and tend to be bias to just a singular material but now im starting to explore more into combining different and contrasting textures and the layering of certain materials

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My teacher always ask me 3 question for every every stuffs of the research.
Why do you chose this photo / stuff ? What's in the picture that interested you ?
How do you tranform or use the elements that you have chosen in your design ??
And when I told her, I love the colour of the picture, she'll keep asking "that's it??"
"How do u feel about the picture ??~ What's the feeling that the picture giving you ?? What's it related to your concept and how about the structure of the photos? What Materials are you goin' to use...BlahBlahBlah.."

I think that's important, because at first my head was totally blank when she keep asking me question, since I've never think that deeply. But I think she is doing the right thing to develope better from my inspiration and creativity...

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last year when i was in foundation in csm, we mostly learned how to develop ideas and documenting it in sketchbook. the documenting part was a torment for me, since i cant catch up with my own internal process system.
people tell me i come up with some pretty good ideas but i have no idea where they come from. these days however i feel rather empty and vague and nothing is coming to me, i cant even hold a pencil and draw a decent line without feeling strained. i feel like sumire.

anyways. sometimes i find plainly exploring ideas on paper with various deliberate inspiration rather limiting, this applies to fashion of course.
in the bauhaus post on the previous page by gius, you said the teachers ask the students to do these experiments and see whether a certain student is good at responding to lines, shape, value or texture and im pretty sure im quite a linear person. so naturally when it comes to designs for garment, i am fascinated with the seams on the garment, the way the seams direct the flow of the eyes around the body. and a certain cut that create a silhouette.
as you can tell, im not a very textile person. before when i think of designs and shapes, i always tend to think in singular texture and tend to be bias to just a singular material but now im starting to explore more into combining different and contrasting textures and the layering of certain materials
Loved your post, MUXU, as I feel as though I'm in a similar situation right now.

I keep a sketchbook in which I try to do at least a page a day (and on one page I can fit about 4-5 fashion sketches). I used to (like 2 or so years ago) try to be like Galliano, McQueen and Gaultier and come up with some highfalutin' far out inspiration and I found that I was never able to come up with much. I soon realized that, despite how much I admired the work of those three designers, it just wasn't me. That was a revelation. I bought a new sketchbook (the one I currently am working on) and it put me on the path of becoming me, I still have a long way to go though, in terms of my design.

As far as coming up with my ideas for my designs, I usually don't think about what I'm going to design...I just let my pen do what it wants and I think I've come up with some interesting results by using this method. I always listen to music when I design (actually, I just pick one song and put it on repeat for the entirety of sketching a page)...in a way, that's become my inspiration. It puts me in a mood and because I'm preoccupied with the sketching, I care less about the connotations of the song and more about the mood or the feeling of the song.

Still, sometimes I find it difficult to rid all of the external influence from my work and concentrate on something that is entirely me. In a way, I guess, it is impossible to ignore all external influences on your work. For example, just the other day, I was so inspired by Miu Miu's FW 09 opening coats, that in my sketchbook I just started sketching these camel coats with clear button, worn with taffeta ribbon shoes and I was pretty pleased with the results and I could see that I was able to work what I was inspired by at Miu Miu into something that felt like me.

Anyway, like MUXU, I find it extremely difficult to put together inspiration books and work with lots of visual images. My inspiration book is in my head! Putting that all in a book is a waste of time! I come up with all my ideas in my head...I imagine the model walking down the catwalk and I sort of construct the clothes on her as she walks.

But, I am sort of feeling like I'm in a rut now...I think the best remedy would simply be changing up the format of my sketchbook and by starting to use color (since up until this point I've only been using fine point black pens..I, too, am I very linear person, MUXU)...it really is time for a change in my sketchbook now...I've done almost 100 pages so far, so that equals almost 500 designs!

Very interesting thread and I look forward to contributing more and hearing more about other's inspirations and ideas and methods of creating and designing! Extremely interesting!

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Hi Muxu thanks for posting, i would love to study in csm one day . About your question i think theres three options, you saw the design and you dishonestly replicate it, you may see the design and you catalogue it in your subconcious mind (forget that you saw it) and replicate it or mmm well theres something called the collective unconscious and with this theory you can "explain" some bizarre similiraties in design around the globe But, i do not believe in this theory cause it hasnt been proven yet. I rather suspect about sociological issues, the globalization, the similar path -history- of clothing, the similir way people think etc. You cannot create something with nothing, you need to have basis you need to have information -visual or theorical- so the conclusion would be maybe nothing is original, but this is the way humanity evolve and in art and design we have the purpouse to make the human culture more rich. So when a designer copies something else (im not putting a value judgement in it, is not about it) you can check if the design fulfill the purpose that had.

As you said, we also need to develop a curious mind, im still afraid of using too much textures in one garmet or combine too much colours maybe without fear i would be a better designer but this only can be beaten with experience....

Mathew wrote something interesting, the design has been seen like something divine (that came from god) or some sort of inspirational-genial-good ideas pop up machine thing but its time to also use in this areas what we know about our brains, use the scientifical knowledge to desmystifi the creativity process. Your teacher tried to teach (sigh) you the critical way of think in order to develop your creativity. If you organize your concious mind, if you can put words in what you think you like its more easy to get ideas.

And Gius Im not too familiarized with typography but maybe you can check the Non designer Design book by Robin Williams.

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wow this thread suddenly became so full of life lol


does anyone feel guilty when they get inspired by a designer?
like all of what i've posted in the previous page
i do think it is possible to create designs using only the elements, principles and if fashion, ideas in construction and pattern making..
but i find using another source, such as a garment or painting or anything, adds that extra kick.. a kind of driving force.. it reminds you of what your goals are in a design.. gives more direction


and also,
it has been SO long since i've used a sketchbook
i think they become systematic and in the end it's more something you show to someone to describe your idea, a presentation
rather than something that actually helps you discover your ideas.
(but after all the work, i do use a binder to house all of the experiments i have done on separate different papers...)

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I will not lie, i used other designers to get inspired when i was on first grade, and this was just because i didnt know other resources of inspiration. Suddenly i realized that i need more information to create new things i started to study more and more about creativity. My actuall sources of inspiration are the nature, the astronomy, physiscs, mathematics, the books (novel), technology and of course the music!!! but ive never ever used a piece of art as a source of inspi...

what kind of sources do you use for your inspiration???

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I'm starting my final major project for my course, which will have a show at the end and everything and it's very exciting. I'm getting my inspiration together and I just want to go on the internet and into the library and print out/photocopy hundreds of images that I could use to inspire me and then stick them all to a wall.
There's such a lack of space at college/home and there are other things I need to be doing apart from this, but I feel I need to be doing it now or the inspiration will begin to fade.

I have a constant urge to turn every idea I get into a straight-lined, cornered, sharp-edged design but at the same time I feel like that urge is restricting the variation in the designs, so no matter what inspiration the drawing comes from it always turns out to look like a pillar of cement.
I love the cement look but it doesn't convey my ideas.

When I look back at successful projects in the past (pre-cement era) it looks like my ideas and imagination are conveyed in the drawings, and that is what I want - I need to get back to that.

I want this final project and show to be successful and I want the piece displayed on the mannequin to be shockingly good.
But the exciting part comes from the development of the inspiration into ideas to sketches and then to the mannequin.

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i think right now it's not exactly that i can't come up with designs but i tend to hate them though i was encouraged that they are not bad. i feel like something is missing.
but yea, haha i feel quite similar to you. i keep a mental inspiration book. not deliberate inspirations just a faint scent of what i saw and smell and heard and felt and turn that into this energy. it's so funny, cause when i close my eyes and think of a design, it is a photographic image on the runway.

the curious mind thing remind me of this quote karl said once about how designers should be curious about everything even if that something has nothing to do with anything. you never know when that will creep up into your concious mind and give you a spark.

i find almost everything inspirational but i realize it's hard to figure out just what type of garment certain inspirations work best with.

what do you guys think of designers using ethnic dressing as inspirations?
most of the time i dont like it. since i find a lot of the designs are wee-bit too obviously linked to a certain or various cultural dressing that i feel ripped off.
i dont dare to bluntly use another culture's traditional dressing as an inspiration for the sake that it looks pretty. but to the people of that culture might find it offensive because maybe that certain style has a religious or cultural meaning

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does anyone feel guilty when they get inspired by a designer?
like all of what i've posted in the previous page
i do think it is possible to create designs using only the elements, principles and if fashion, ideas in construction and pattern making..
but i find using another source, such as a garment or painting or anything, adds that extra kick.. a kind of driving force.. it reminds you of what your goals are in a design.. gives more direction
I do feel really guilty when I get 'inspired' by what other designers do/ have done. It's actually really hard on me, because it makes me feel like I'm not creative or talented at all. I look at these designers...Miuccia Prada, Nicholas Ghesquiere, Alexander McQueen, Galliano, Theyskens, etc. and I just am so blown away with their work and their ideas and I always end up feeling inferior.

The thing is, though, I know I have talent when it comes to design (I really don't mean that in a conceited way...). So even when I do feel guilty and inferior to the designers I mentioned, I just have to tell myself that...these people are all at least twice my age, have experienced far more than I have, have studied pattern making, draping and tailoring and are skilled in those fields, they're exposed to cutting edge techniques and not only are they exposed to it, they have the freedom to make up their own cutting edge techniques. They're surrounded by creative people (which is always inspiring and motivating), and they also can design something and then see it realized in a relatively short amount of time...and I think that actually is very important in designing, for fashion especially. I can sketch all I want, but when I never see anything realized, it's a bit limiting. It's like, once you know what you can do in real life, you become more inspired and creative in your mind, and then the clothes that come of that are better, and so on and so forth.

MUXU, in response to your question about being inspired by ethnic dressing...I see no problem in it really. I'm a strong believer in everything and anything having potential to be inspiring...nothing should be off limits because, really, you don't have much control over what inspires you...it just happens. I just think what matters is how it's interpreted.

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