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Developing Creativity
A very common thing I find from going to art school is ,
many students tackling the problem of coming up with ideas..
for paintings,
for fashion design
or other kinds of design
etc

I mean how easy is it to just go by what you like
You like light colours, you like a certain person's work
you try it yourself...
...very easy
but this all just melts down to imitation and copying , no ??
Although could it be deeper than that ,
how could two people, looking at the same object for inspiration ...one person be drawn to taking one idea based on the object
and another person a completely different aspect...
It's not really imitation
rather something more personal
inside each person that wants to express itself ??

The topic for this thread is on conceptualization...
Let's discuss the process of coming up with ideas...
What is your take on it...
post thoughts
books
quotes
It's very open-ended ...

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another thing i wanted to add
is the question , how do the schools develop this in their students ??

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The topic for this thread is on conceptualization...
Let's discuss the process of coming up with ideas...
What is your take on it...
I had an idea for the thread like this. Thank you for putting it into words gius. Flower!

This is sort of like when I took English in high school. "What do you think Chaucer meant with the red horse?" Honestly, I would reply with, "What if Chaucer wanted the horse red because he cut his finger on his quill and bam: red?"

But if I'm sketching or trying to be creative in birthday cards or outfits, I get it from someplace else. I have a hard time creating something from my own mind without any outside help. It'll be the fusion of multiple ideas that I get from people or things already manufactured.

For example, I saw a Christmas card last year that was made of paper and had little glued on faux gems for detail. I took that idea and made holiday cards with construction paper. I used foam paper for the marshmallows in the cups of cocoa I cut out with shiny ivory paper to make the mug look like it was made of whatever it is mugs are made of. And if I need to make an outfit, I incorporate what I see to what I have. I have to be true to myself; I won't be comfortable in an outfit that's not mine own idea. So I wore a hoodie with a fancy scarf today.

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Very interesting question .
And very hard to answer.....

I think ideas mostly come up at random. And it depends a lot on what kind of things you are attracted to, or focus on.
Like gius I am very visual too. I am attracted to colour, text, pictures, painting, story's I read ect. If I would see a movie
I might get inspired by the visuals, like the surroundings.
But someone who is more attracted to sounds (auditory) might get inspired by the music.

But the big question is: How do you give your personal interpretation of your inspiration?
And I think that is the hardest part....

Sometimes you hear people that say they were inspired by
a old teddybear or a puddle of mud and I really wonder how it relates to what they made .

It is such a personal and random proces that it's hard to follow.
At least, I know sometimes I can't follow myself when it comes to how an idea was born .
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t seems to me that this is a hard thing to teach for schools. You might learn them the techniques to open your mind to new possibilities
and options and the steps most creative processes have. But in the end it is such a personal proces that it's hard to really learn it out of a book.

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As an industrial designer. you'll find that sometimes, the best ideas just come like a bolt out of the blue.


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But the big question is: How do you give your personal interpretation of your inspiration?
And I think that is the hardest part....

Sometimes you hear people that say they were inspired by
a old teddybear or a puddle of mud and I really wonder how it relates to what they made .

It is such a personal and random proces that it's hard to follow.
At least, I know sometimes I can't follow myself when it comes to how an idea was born .
....
I think fewormany posted a good question
--forming a personal interpretation...
which all could have bene influenced in any way by our upbringing, childhood, positive + negative experiences, environment, etc. ...

I was having a chat w/ member DevonDevore some time ago
and he was talking about some advice given to him from the people who worked at the place he was interning at
One of the things was,
to make an inspiration book ...

How important is it to know why you like something, drawn to something
I think this knowledge helps us cut off outside distractions
and focus on what's important to us
and to develop those personal visions
... in the end probably creating "your style"

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developing creativity at the Bauhaus
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It seems to me that this is a hard thing to teach for schools. You might learn them the techniques to open your mind to new possibilities and options and the steps most creative processes have. But in the end it is such a personal proces that it's hard to really learn it out of a book.
definitely
They give you suggestions
and it just happens naturally ... whether or not it happens
Maybe that is what born "talent" means...

the mid-century art school from Germany, the Bauhaus
had an interesting way to awaken the artist inside their students...

What we learn now in design is based on their teachings I think

Here is a nice book giving a general overview

artvis.bc.edu

Basically it is about the elements and principles of design
the foundations of design...
the 'basic building blocks' in creating a design

Elements:Line, shape, texture, colour, value

Principles: Balance, repetition, Rhythm, contrast, dominance

You do design 'studies'
or experiments
tests
It surrounds the idea of "contrasts"

for example, dark light
big small
long short
smooth rough
warm cold

These awaken different signals in each person...
Some people respond well to value (light, dark)
Some to line
Some to shape
Some respond to texture (tactile ... like fabric and material)
and people are usually a mix of one or few

example of Materials studies

from bauhaus.de
Itten's preliminary course, Material studies by Vincent Weber, 1920/21, waste metal, tree-bark, roots, plants, and other elements mounted on plywood

By response
I mean the students do very well at a certain category of experiments
and the students should also find them easy
and enjoyable
much more than other categories of experiments even
--I believe this determines the person's "character" or style


What this course essentially was made to do was, to help the students decide what specialty they would go into ...
architecture, weaving, glass, mural, and several others...
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There are sample pages here with excellent pictures
http://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&i...um=1&ct=result

*also feel free to correct me if my list on the design elements/principles is not 100% correct I realise it changes according to instructor

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^^ Interesting. I don't know much about this, but I'm sure to find out more when I take Design Principals and Elements...which I have been avoiding so far ....because of horror stories of the work load, tedious classes, unforgiving teacher etc. (actually I've met her and she seems really nice ) So thanks for the link and info, maybe I should start some homework on it now

I find that it's easier to keep track of my ideas by keeping visual diaries. Anything I like I try to stick in there...that way I'm not thinking later, where did I see that xxx again? What was it that I liked about xxx again? And I can keep track of where I'm at and where I going by referring back to it...
Not sure if any of what I just said made any sense

For almost all our subjects at school we must keep a visual diary which count toward our final mark.

Great topic Guis! Nice to see that homework thread gave you some inspiration

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Design experiments at the Bauhaus
some more studies from Bauhaus.de
part of Johannes Itten's preliminary course

Friedl Dicker, Light and dark study, c. 1920, composition and color


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Monika Bella Broner, Contrast study, 1929/30, pencil and gouache, shreds of fabric


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Balance study, 1924, wood and metal parts, reconstruction 1967


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Frieda Kessinger, Color angles and elementary color relations, 1929/30


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Lena Meyer-Bergner, Inter-penetration. Three colours in one form, watercolor, 1927


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Info about the instructors for each category of study
(material study, light/dark study, etc.)
can be found at the link above

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^^ Interesting. I don't know much about this, but I'm sure to find out more when I take Design Principals and Elements...which I have been avoiding so far ....because of horror stories of the work load, tedious classes, unforgiving teacher etc. (actually I've met her and she seems really nice ) So thanks for the link and info, maybe I should start some homework on it now

I find that it's easier to keep track of my ideas by keeping visual diaries. Anything I like I try to stick in there...that way I'm not thinking later, where did I see that xxx again? What was it that I liked about xxx again? And I can keep track of where I'm at and where I going by referring back to it...
Not sure if any of what I just said made any sense

For almost all our subjects at school we must keep a visual diary which count toward our final mark.

Great topic Guis! Nice to see that homework thread gave you some inspiration
Mine was tedious too..
I took two of them.. One for my textiles and one another year ago, when I was taking Visual Art

Yes it's tedious the way you have to do each study
I had to make collections of different lines
different shape ideas
sets of colours.. analogous scheme, complementary scheme, tertiary...

After finishing them though, how useful the book is to me now
I find I don't even need to look for inspiration
I just use these ideas
and think about , what kind of feeling I'm trying to portray in my design
I think it helps make you sensitive to the differences in what you see... Say a white shape next to a black shape as opposed to a white shape next to an egg-white shape

The Bauhaus preliminary course surrounds the same idea
using the design elements...
and modifying the basic geometric shapes (square, triangle, circle ---that's why you see these so often in Bauhaus designs) with the design elements you choose, according to your idea...
I would rather haven taken the Bauhaus course though
I was told by Sayan* the Bauhaus is not the same as it was when it started... It's like a completely other school now

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From Idea to Reality - by Elizabeth Oliver
This is a really *great* book
on how to compile your tastes, what you like, what inspires you and form it into something real.. The book is for jewellery design, but you can apply the ideas to any creative field

amazon

Some quotes...

".... design requires a healthy curiosity and an appetite for understanding design 'ingredients.'"

"Although we may know instinctively what is beautiful, creating a thing of beauty is another matter. To cook fine food, you need to understand what tastes good, and how texture, colour, and flavour can be combined to produce something that is exciting and appetizing to the palate and eye. As with fine cuisine, interesting and beautiful jewelry is easier to appreciate than to create."

"Understanding what we like and dislike about our visual, tactile, sensual, and functional world is essential to the design process, and is an exciting learning experience. It provides a designer with a personal perspective necessary to give character to a design. Personality is what distinguishes design and saves it from being just another eternal, anonymous, repeat; it makes a design noteworthy, exciting, provocative, distinctive, and individual."

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Sample Design Ingredients:

Shape. Size. Scale.

Form... 2D/Flat, 3D-- consider all angles.

Texture/Finishing

Colour - what does the colour need to achieve?

5 senses: how can they be engaged?

Emotion/Mood: What emotional impact do you want to create?

Function: Can the piece perform what it is made for?

Materials: What materials are suitable for the design? Does it have the appropriate properties?

Process: What processes are appropriate for the piece? Do you intend the process help define the piece or just complement the design intention?

longer explanation here here

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some more thoughts from the Bauhaus
Bauhaus instructor,
(and creator of the system we now use in art/design schools
known as Colour Theory)

Johannes Itten writes about observations he has seen in his students
Their work alongside their own behaviours/characteristics, physical and mental
the similarties, connections

Subjective Forms
http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums...rms-76180.html


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I don't find it hard to come up with ideas, I can twist any project into what I want it to be as long as the brief given isn't too specific.
I can't work with something that doesn't agree with me.
If I don't like what I'm working with, there is no way anything good is going to come out of it.

Ideas are wonderful things.

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