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24-09-2005
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Guernica.. this was the final jeopardy question the other day.. I got it right and I felt so smart!...

too bad I was watching all by myself

We talked about this in spanish class when I was in HS.. all I remember though is the Bull and the horse screaming represents spain and its culture and how its.. umm screaming because of the events in WWII... notice the mother with the dead baby in her arms.. totally brutal

yeah thats all I remember.. i'm kinda useless

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kudos for picasso for creating a painting that still has the power to shock after these decades- too bad we can't karma him....

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A little bit more info on Guernica:

Early 1937 Picasso got asked to paint something for the Spanish pavilion at the Universal Show in Paris, but for months he didn't have a subject. After the bombings happened (April 26th), Picasso decided on this theme, and began working.

The composition was piramidal since the beggining. There's one woman screaming, with her dead child, another that moves diagonally and the one that lights the scene. The bull in the beggining has said to be thought of as a symbol for the Spanish people, resisting boldly the fascist attack. The horse is a substitute for a soldier's raised fist, which was present in the early stages of the painting. There is an eye or maybe a "dented vagina", which substitutes the sun of the early stages of the painting, and has the image of the lightbulb in it. The characters in Picasso's works before Guernica (in drawings and etchings) are reunited in the painting. In Guernica, no one is saved, everything is destruction. That is the new 'script' in the painting. The killer is not present in the painting, either.


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travolta , it is not a school project .. i'm a chemical-engineering student not an art student.. my knowledge in art is ZERO but am talented in drawing and ..just wanted to know about different styles of painting...
when i firstly saw Guernica i thought it was "ugly"! but when i knew it was picasso's .. i just wanted to know why is it very famous , even though it looked too "cartoonish" to me


......just now i started to like it :p

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u aint useless :p atleast u know about it more than i do




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i actually thought the bull was one of the enemies.. ,
because all the figures are "showing" reactions except the bull .. that stands still watching the scene ?! ..

i think i should read more about this


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25-09-2005
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travolta , it is not a school project .. i'm a chemical-engineering student not an art student.. my knowledge in art is ZERO but am talented in drawing and ..just wanted to know about different styles of painting...
when i firstly saw Guernica i thought it was "ugly"! but when i knew it was picasso's .. i just wanted to know why is it very famous , even though it looked too "cartoonish" to me


......just now i started to like it :p

ah, ok. thanks for clearing that up.

as someone involved in the sciences you may be interested in this book: Einstein, Picasso: Space, Time, and the Beauty That Causes Havoc by Arthur I. Miller. i haven't actually read this book completely through so i don't have a fully formed opinion on it, but i think it's worth checking out.

here's a review posted on amazon.com

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Intellectual historians widely acknowledge that Einstein's theory of relativity and Picasso's cubist paintings launched modernity. Although the physicist and painter never met, their creative geniuses developed simultaneously under similar social circumstances and during an unrivaled period of cultural ferment. Moreover, Miller, professor of history and philosophy of science at University College London, contends, both Einstein and Picasso were deeply influenced by mathematician and philosopher Henri Poincar‚'s treatise on non-Euclidean geometry, La Science et l'hypothŠse. Both Einstein and Picasso borrowed from Poincar‚ the idea of a temporal and spatial dimension beyond our own that could be captured in art and physics. Miller plunders previously unavailable sources as he narrates the parallel biographies of Einstein and Picasso. He traces in great detail the influences of photography, geometry and X-ray technology on Picasso's art as well as the influence of aesthetic theory on Einstein's science. Through close readings of the theory of relativity and Picasso's groundbreaking Les Demoiselles d'Avignon, Miller argues that these two men were working on the same problem: "how to represent space and time at just the moment in history when it became apparent that these entities are not what we intuitively perceive them to be." In the 21st century, it is old news that artists and scientists struggle with the best ways to represent space and time. But Miller's eloquent and wide-ranging interdisciplinary history of ideas returns us to the beginning of the 20th century when two brilliant minds challenged reigning understandings of space and time and fashioned revolutionary models that imbue contemporary culture's understandings of itself and the physical world. (Apr.)Forecast: There is probably not a huge readership for this title, but it will sell well to students of science, art and the history of ideas. The author will make appearances in Chicago and Cambridge, Mass., in late March, and such engagements should help him reach his audience


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here's a good link, too
http://www.art-james.com/books/picasso.aspx

and as i wish everyone read john berger, i especially recommend this one
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...p1/artjames-20

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indie , caramel , sephora socialite , anna karina thank you so much guys , i appreciate it


and i was just wondering , the way he pictured the horse , looks like there are some writings on the horse ? its a really complicated painting that aroused my curiousity...
Picasso was referring to newspapers in those markings as well as the monotone grey/blk/white. Like this was a sort of news photograph, he was saying "this is what happened here".

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After the bombings happened (April 26th...)
Ah man, that's my birthday. Chernobyl blew up that day too you know.

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I studied this painting at Art class in High school, it is regarded as the most important painting in Spanish art history with Las Meninas by Velazquez.

Those bombings caused a deep impact on Picasso and I think that's why we're also impressed by the painting, because it borned because of very strong feelings.

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thankyou everyone


travolta , i'll be sure to get this book , seems interesting thanks alot


and thanks anna karina for the links

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Ah man, that's my birthday. Chernobyl blew up that day too you know.
isch, that's an icky coincidence. Chernobyl, I mean, not your birthday of course

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The painting itself stays in Madrid, Reina Sofia museum. I went over to see it with my own eyes last March, its astonishing and terrifying. It is the most famous piece in this museum, (it also has Salvador Dali's " The Great Masturbator", and "Figure at a Window" paintings in it) painted in 1937, the ultimate expression of human barbarism and stupidity. The bombing of the town of Guernica, in Basque country caused 2000 deaths. Picasso refused to return the painting to the Spanish government until democracy was restored. I first saw this painting when i was in school, years ago, and since then, although it is a black/white painting, i always had a weird perception in my mind that it was colorful. With reds and browns. When i first saw it in Sofia Museum for real, i was really surprised, by its size (3.48 meters x 7.77 meters) and that it has this strange state of colorfullness in its black/grey/white nature. It is known that Picasso painted it with the tellings of Dora Maar, and that is why the woman in the middle is her. The picture has 7 versions, all photographed by Dora Maar. At the last stages of the painting, Picasso first added two and then one big teardrop to it, and decided that it is unnecessary to show the blood that was spent.

There is a story which is told, i do not know if its true but one time a german soldier asked Picasso if he did this picture and his answer was: "No sir, it was you who did it."

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thanks everybody!
hmmmh guys, this is so interesting for me...i'm doing a ph.d. on the guy, and it's just great to see that even chemical engineers like beleza are interested in him! and i'm really quite fascinated by everybody's effort to try to understand.

anna k, have you studied art history at any point? it sounds like it...

i cannot remember who suggested miller's book on einstein and picasso, but congratulations on your readings

that's a bit of a difficult book, and quite "original" in his approach to picasso's art, but i agree that beleza may appreciate it greatly because of her scientific education. (a friend of mine is actually just about to submit her ph.d. on guernica and science, supervised by prof. miller...i haven't read it, but her ideas sound interesting).

i'm afraid i'm more of an earlier picasso expert, but if you want more info, or a bibliography, i'd be more than happy to provide that.

this thread made my day!!!

so nice to know that there's something that actually moves people beyond academic stuff!...

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this thread made my day!!!

aww i'm glad it did


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