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Originally posted by Softee@Apr 15th, 2004 - 8:10 pm
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Honey, in case you didn't realize yet, I'm just as Russian as you are, so your babbling about my stereotypical view is as off the mark as it can get.
Gee, Faust, I'm impressed... not!

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Wow, Faust that's brilliant. How long have you been in the States?
Yes, Faust, I'd like to know that too... When was the last time that you've been to Russia, sweetheart?
Although, you know what... I'm not going to prove to you or anybody, who is more of a Russian: you or me. See, that's just silly and kind of irrelevant.
I know what I see, and I base my opinions on that.
I still don't agree with you and I don't care (especially considering that your arguments went the wrong way). I expressed my view on the article, -you think whatever you like...
All the best!
I've been in the states for 12 years and last time I was back in Russia was 2 years ago. I keep in touch with my friends from St.P and Moscow constantly, as well as with Russian bohemia in NYC. So, what was your point exactly?

You say you know what you see and base your opinions on what you see? That's fine. Have you ever thought that you see an incomplete picture? That what you see is not the world, but only a small glimpse of it? Have you ever thought of respecting other's opinions? Have you ever thought that arrogance won't get you far? In your silly 30 posts you've already managed to offend 3 people, two of them Russian, by the way, who know a thing or two about what's going on back home. Maybe you should tone it down a bit, if you want anyone on these forums to take you seriously. Otherwise you might qualify for that Troll of the year award.

And I'll spare you a humiliating discussion about style, you clearly stated it in the Posh Beckham thread.

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i really don't know much about russia...but you're certainly not doing much to create a positive image for us, softee...your attitude and tone is very off-putting and doesn't exactly make me want to run over to russia to see all the new and wonderful things...it makes me think that there are a bunch of cranky people over there with big fat chips on their shoulders...

i'm still waiting to hear what's so fantastic about russia...not just what's bad about other places...it seems to me that lena has given me the most vivid picture of russian culture ...
and she's greek!!


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Originally posted by faust@Apr 16th, 2004 - 11:13 am


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I've been in the states for 12 years and last time I was back in Russia was 2 years ago. I keep in touch with my friends from St.P and Moscow constantly, as well as with Russian bohemia in NYC. So, what was your point exactly?
Thank you. That explains everything.
But what did you prove by that? What is your point? You're more of a Russian? I told you this conversation is going nowhere... Chances are, you don't even hold a Russian passport anymore, and you only remember that you are Russian when it's convenient for you. On other occasions you are American, or Jewish.

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You say you know what you see and base your opinions on what you see? That's fine. Have you ever thought that you see an incomplete picture? That what you see is not the world, but only a small glimpse of it? Have you ever thought of respecting other's opinions? Have you ever thought that arrogance won't get you far? In your silly 30 posts you've already managed to offend 3 people, two of them Russian, by the way, who know a thing or two about what's going on back home. Maybe you should tone it down a bit, if you want anyone on these forums to take you seriously. Otherwise you might qualify for that Troll of the year award.
I have considered that. Thanx for pointing it out, I was waiting for that. But has it ever occured to you that a person who lives in Russia, and travels, might have a clearer picture than an American journalist writing for no other but New York Times?
I don't consider that article accurate, it's very superficial. It's just another person's opinion. No more than that. No research went into that. And I disagree.

And FYI I didn't offend anybody. The article was written in a condescending manner, and I think it's pretty obvious.

Plus, you preach me about respecting opinins of others using such statements as "blabbing" and "your silly 30 posts?" I think you should take your own lesson to heart first, and then preach.

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And I'll spare you a humiliating discussion about style, you clearly stated it in the Posh Beckham thread.
That does it. That line right there shows just how respectful and refined you are. Have you ever heard of an adage "Tastes differ?"

Oh, please don't spare me. I've been waiting for an argument on style since your first attempt to shut me up... But instead all I heard was, "I'm Russian too, I'm Russian too..."
Please go ahead. No more insults, just arguments in favour or against the article.
I challenge you.

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Originally posted by Softee+Apr 16th, 2004 - 2:35 pm--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Softee @ Apr 16th, 2004 - 2:35 pm)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-faust@Apr 16th, 2004 - 11:13 am


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I've been in the states for 12 years and last time I was back in Russia was 2 years ago.* I keep in touch with my friends from St.P and Moscow constantly, as well as with Russian bohemia in NYC.* So, what was your point exactly?
Thank you. That explains everything.
But what did you prove by that? What is your point? You're more of a Russian? I told you this conversation is going nowhere... Chances are, you don't even hold a Russian passport anymore, and you only remember that you are Russian when it's convenient for you. On other occasions you are American, or Jewish.

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You say you know what you see and base your opinions on what you see?* That's fine.* Have you ever thought that you see an incomplete picture?* That what you see is not the world, but only a small glimpse of it?* Have you ever thought of respecting other's opinions?* Have you ever thought that arrogance won't get you far?* In your silly 30 posts you've already managed to offend 3 people, two of them Russian, by the way, who know a thing or two about what's going on back home.* Maybe you should tone it down a bit, if you want anyone on these forums to take you seriously.* Otherwise you might qualify for that Troll of the year award.
I have considered that. Thanx for pointing it out, I was waiting for that. But has it ever occured to you that a person who lives in Russia, and travels, might have a clearer picture than an American journalist writing for no other but New York Times?
I don't consider that article accurate, it's very superficial. It's just another person's opinion. No more than that. No research went into that. And I disagree.

And FYI I didn't offend anybody. The article was written in a condescending manner, and I think it's pretty obvious.

Plus, you preach me about respecting opinins of others using such statements as "blabbing" and "your silly 30 posts?" I think you should take your own lesson to heart first, and then preach.

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And I'll spare you a humiliating discussion about style, you clearly stated it in the Posh Beckham thread.
That does it. That line right there shows just how respectful and refined you are. Have you ever heard of an adage "Tastes differ?"

Oh, please don't spare me. I've been waiting for an argument on style since your first attempt to shut me up... But instead all I heard was, "I'm Russian too, I'm Russian too..."
Please go ahead. No more insults, just arguments in favour or against the article.
I challenge you. [/b][/quote]
okay that's enough...no more challenging anyone...this is not a competition...

and enough with the personal attacks...

circles...going 'round in circles...

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Originally posted by Sugo@Apr 16th, 2004 - 12:52 pm
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* whatever* *
Exactly my point


ok, point made softee rder:

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Chances are, you don't even hold a Russian passport anymore, and you only remember that you are Russian when it's convenient for you. On other occasions you are American, or Jewish.
Why am I not surprised it came down to this?

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Originally posted by Sugo@Apr 16th, 2004 - 4:36 pm
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Chances are, you don't even hold a Russian passport anymore, and you only remember that you are Russian when it's convenient for you. On other occasions you are American, or Jewish.
Why am I not surprised it came down to this?
Sugo, please do not feed the troll.

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Lena, no problem. You started this topic after all.

Sugo, I didn't wanna say it, but she pursued...

Faust, I knew that you were the one blabbing. Bye.

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is she gone!?!?!?....

i wasn't going to say anything...but her whole premise was flawed as the article was written in MOSCOW!...probably by a freelance RUSSIAN jounalist!....

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Softgrey, no, I'm still here, and what a stupid thing to say in a public forum... We're not sitting in your house, you know...

Plus, how do you know that the article was written by a Russian, in Moscow? - Well, you don't.
So, your "whole premise" is nonexisistent. And half the statements you make a completely off topic.
What's the point of talking about something you don't know!?
There's a name for it - BS.

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Originally posted by Softee@Apr 16th, 2004 - 6:43 pm
Softgrey, no, I'm still here, and what a stupid thing to say in a public forum... We're not sitting in your house, you know...

Plus, how do you know that the article was written by a Russian, in Moscow? - Well, you don't.
So, your "whole premise" is nonexisistent. And half the statements you make a completely off topic.
What's the point of talking about something you don't know!?
There's a name for it - BS.
yes i do know...because i have the NY Times and it says so...

and try having a sense of humour...i was joking...

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Erin (the writer of the article) is an American living in Moscow. She has been there for a bit under a year and is the NYT business correspondent in Moscow.
Interpret that as you will.

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I have read the article once again and couldn't find anything offensive about russian fashion or Russians. It said:

1. The "new" fashion bussiness is born. Not home sewing, not catalog-look-a-like orders, not clothes-for-clothes, but shops offering good designs for people at good prices.


2. People don't seem to be slave to logos anymore. Even super-rich Russians are defining their own ways of wearing labels. And streets look as colorful as those in Tokyo or NY.


3. The high fashion scene is Russia is flowering, due to young designers and Russians' love for designs. The next big thing might be russian designs worn by non-Russians as well :-)


4. President Putin is a fashion's role model :-)


What one might miss here is still the authentic "russian fashion", like Lena said, not only russian interpretation of western fashion. I think I am talking stereotypes here, but when one says Italian, American, British or French fashion, you know what he/she means. Also there are Japanese and Belgian designers who changed the way we think about fashion. Although these designers have very personal and original visions, they are still considered as "groups" by their "root". So time has come for Russians (and others, too:-) as well.


Softee, instead of making comments about our loved ones here on the tFs, and blahing about how people still see SU instead of new Russia (btw, why?), you could write sth about fashion in the SU era and now:-), you could also do some research and make some fotos. This could be far more interesting and could give us a closer view on russian style, as close as you want to. And please remember that fashion is not just shows and club/party-goers:-)

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great post ngth

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Originally posted by Lena@Apr 20th, 2004 - 12:41 pm
great post ngth
Amen!

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