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NUEVA, thanks a lot for all the info...it was very helpful!very nice from you .......im wondering who choose the final pics from an editorial or cpgn??The editor or the photographer (it depends the power of the photographer).......

ps thank u softgrey too for the info you deliver,very nice!

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you are very welcome xone...and welcome to tfs ...

the answer to your last question is that it does depend on the power of the photographer...usually they will submit several choices and highlight their picks...and the editor will indicate their choices as well...but in the end...the editor in chief of the magazine has the final say...or for advertising...it's the client who is paying for the shoot who chooses what will run...

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thanks again softgrey.......and catalogs?pays that much as advertising? i mean saks and bloomingdales,etc

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there are different levels of advertising and different levels of catalog...

advertising usually has a bigger budget and so pays a bit more...catalogs have to produce many shoots...so each shoot has a smaller budget than a company that only does a few ads a year...this is a generalization...of course...and the higher end dept store catalogs which only come out a few times a year are somewhere in btw...


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softy, katie grand has been editing at bazaar for at least 6 months.
unfortunately her work on the gucci/isabeli story in the february issue was mediocre as was isabeli & the photos.

for discussion purposes, youre claiming that bruce weber, gisele, mcdean, jessy miller, juergen teller, paoolo roversi are earning $150 a day from W???
michael thompson getting paid $150 a day by W?? NO ONE believes that!!!!

cmon softy you know thats not true.
bruce weber working for $150 a day? cmon.

[yes joe zee, templer & alex white have done superior work for W]. they also earn more than $150 a day but you know that.

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.. paid $150 a day by W?? NO ONE believes that!!!!
Unless you can show the pay slips to prove otherwise I suggest you start believing it. Whether it is 150 or 250 per day (, or $ - take your pick) editorial pays buttons compared to advertising.

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softy, katie grand has been editing at bazaar for at least 6 months.
unfortunately her work on the gucci/isabeli story in the february issue was mediocre as was isabeli & the photos.

for discussion purposes, youre claiming that bruce weber, gisele, mcdean, jessy miller, juergen teller, paoolo roversi are earning $150 a day from W???
michael thompson getting paid $150 a day by W?? NO ONE believes that!!!!

cmon softy you know thats not true.
bruce weber working for $150 a day? cmon.

[yes joe zee, templer & alex white have done superior work for W]. they also earn more than $150 a day but you know that.
well..
you've just proven that you really have no knowledge of the fashion industry...these are very basic facts...not big industry secrets...i was under the impression that you were familiar with the business...

FYI...Interview magazine pays NOTHING...everyone works for free...but the photographers retain the rights to the photos which means if it's agood celeb...they can make money by re-selling them to other mags...
good for the photog...but pretty sucko for the rest of the crew...usually the crew justs doesit as a favour to the photographer in the hopes that he/she will book them on a big money job...

flaunt and surface and many other smaller mags are the same...

of course i know that alex and joe make more than $150/day...i am the one that explained their on-staff positioins which you so incorrectly put forth as the gospel.....mr grey...
karl...however is freelance...so not the same...

you know...if you actually paid attentioin...you might learn something about the business and then it would be easier for you to fool people into thinking you have a clue...i suggest you pay attention and LEARN>>>....

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well said softgrey!

Like Steven Meisel for Vogue, I'm sure that Michael Thompson probably has a contract with W... to shoot covers and editorials for them. So if you (Lady Grey) find it hard to believe that Michael Thompson would ever agree to do $150 a day for editorial... just assume that he's under contract, and makes a predetermined amount of money.

Also remember Lady Grey,.. in editorial, photographers have more creative freedom than they ever would in any advertising or catalog gig. And sometimes this sort of freedom outweighs any $150 day rate.... especially if it's an opportunity to create some really fabulous pictures....

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good point about creativity nueva...we've go to have someplace to get our yaya's out...we can't just do advertising all the time or we'd all go insane...

but if we only did editorial...we'd starve...

welcome aboard nueva...you obviously know the industry...are you based in ny or somewhere in europe?...

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I wonder how much a photographer like Paolo Roversi does, he doesn't do many ads, does he?

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sure he does...he's been doing armani and ferretti for years...

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sure he does...he's been doing armani and ferretti for years...
but i don't think paolo is financially driven...
i think he's artistically motivated ...

more than most fashion photogrphers

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good point about creativity nueva...we've go to have someplace to get our yaya's out...we can't just do advertising all the time or we'd all go insane...

but if we only did editorial...we'd starve...

welcome aboard nueva...you obviously know the industry...are you based in ny or somewhere in europe?...
nueva york of course!

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These are a couple from the Roversi aw03 Ferretti campaign...
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but i don't think paolo is financially driven...
i think he's artistically motivated ...

more than most fashion photogrphers
... yes I agree. A man that truly loves his craft.
And he's a teacher too... I think he teaches at an art school or university.
same with Javier Vallhonrat...

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