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24-04-2013
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So.. let's say you have great bone structure, a unique face, and various agencies have expressed interest in you.. but you're body isn't 110% runway ready (1-2 inches off from high fashion standard). Will an agency turn you down if you're not in tip-top shape at that point? Or will they be able to see your potential and help you lose the inches/let that be a part of your development?

Also, how common is it to agencies to invest their time in their model's body/diets? My friend who was with Ford talked of them asking her to go to these fitness classes. Does the agency pay for that or is that coming out of the model's bank account?

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So.. let's say you have great bone structure, a unique face, and various agencies have expressed interest in you.. but you're body isn't 110% runway ready (1-2 inches off from high fashion standard). Will an agency turn you down if you're not in tip-top shape at that point? Or will they be able to see your potential and help you lose the inches/let that be a part of your development?

Also, how common is it to agencies to invest their time in their model's body/diets? My friend who was with Ford talked of them asking her to go to these fitness classes. Does the agency pay for that or is that coming out of the model's bank account?
I would advise getting your body to runway standards before having a go. Unless you have an out of this world amazing look, agencies would rather sign someone who is runway ready rather than waste time waiting for a girl to get there.

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Let's be very careful here ... we have a rule that we may not discuss weight or size anywhere in tFS.

However I will say this and then we can move on:

If (and that is a big "if") they like you but your body is not the right shape they might tell you to get in shape and come back so they can see you again. Not very likely they would take you before you do that. So dsamg's advice is right on the money.

And no ... they don't pay for anything that the model must do to prepare herself to work. The model is actually "self employed" and works for herself so she must bear all the costs of doing business. The agency gets paid from commissions from the model's work ... when they actually find her work.

Once in an extremely rare while, the agency might "advance" monies for something, like housing or travel, but the model must pay them back ... we have a thread about all of that: The Truth about Modeling Expenses ... Who Really Pays?

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If modelling is low paid, what are other model related jobs to do on the side?

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There's always web modeling/porn ... which many model wannabes fall into ... so be very careful about anything you do in front of a camera if you ever want to be a legit model. Pictures can come back to haunt you. But the pay can be pretty good .... depending on how mush you show and do.


There are also legit companies who provide "models" (all they want is a pretty face, so you don't even have to be tall, but you should be sexy) for demonstrating and handing out products at conventions and shows ... like perfume, beer, and other goodies. It's minimum hourly pay, and you have to dress they way they tell you ... usually a bit sexy. It's called promotional modeling.

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There are also legit companies who provide "models" (all they want is a pretty face, so you don't even have to be tall, but you should be sexy) for demonstrating and handing out products at conventions and shows ... like perfume, beer, and other goodies. It's minimum hourly pay, and you have to dress they way they tell you ... usually a bit sexy. It's called promotional modeling.

What specific companies offer this type of vacancy or were can you search for job vacancies of this sort?

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I don't know .... I would suggest you just Google for promotional modeling.

I hope you are not considering web modeling ... that's not only a bad career move, it's extremely dangerous!

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No I'm not considering web modelling. It doesn't sound like real modelling.

I think dropshipping is a good idea. I know some companies allow you to partner with them. You get to model the garments and promote the products and you get a commission. This is available in my area.
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I have a question related to the industry, which I haven't found the thread for, so I thought I'd post it here..

How long does it typically take for a model to stop going to castings and become a direct-booking thing? Does it depend on how long she's been in the industry for or is it when she gets to do a first compaign or something? Please, give examples, if you know.

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I think it is most likely down to exposure and establishment of the model so might not depend on time but rather depend on development of the model's work.

Some times I think it can develop pretty fast especially if the model already has contacts and portfolio images. Other times might take a bit of time.

I think that if the model is being featured in magazines and gaining the exposure then she's out there, most likely if the model is being featured on an agency's website will also help because clients may use the online service to book a model, also models tend to go on websites when they have strong portfolios, or a decent amount of portfolio images. I'm assuming that most models featured on the website are part of direct booking services as well, as I know some models are signed with agencies but not featured on the website. I think it all depends on establishment and strong portfolio work from test shoots and editorials and possibly good exposure.

I hope some one else offers a more accurate answer if I am wrong! Interesting question.


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She's pretty much right. There is no set time. And it partially depends on development, but it largely depends on what the clients think about her. But if she's going to be big, it usually happens fast .... first year, probably. The agency will control the speed a bit ... making sure she's ready .... but even for them, the faster, the better. They don't make any money until she's up and in demand.


Models are commodities ... just like food on a grocer's shelf. The storekeeper (the agency) does what it can to advertise the merchandise to all their potential customers ... and then everyone hopes for the best. If no one buys ... they don't stock it anymore. If many customers buy it and like it, they will remember and come back to buy it again, repeatedly. Then other customers learn about the product and come in to try it too. At that point, the grocer no longer needs to put out ads and signs ... the customers already want it and know where to get it.

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If i have gone to an open call with an agency and they took test photos of me and told me they wanted to represent me and then i went back a few weeks later and took some more pictures but they never called me back after that. Should i try at other agencies or is that a stupid idea?

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Keep trying. Especially if you got a nibble, like this one. Hit every agency in your area ... and do it again in a few months, if you don't hear anything, then again.

Most of the time it's a matter of timing. They may love your look, but if they already have a model or two with a similar look, they may not need you now ... but might, in the future. You never know when they might get a new client who needs a model like you or loose one of their ones that you could replace. If you are getting a positive response from legit agencies .... but they don't sign you ... go back every few months, to see if anything has changed.

That's how modeling works ... even after you get an agency. You go on a ton of casting calls and go sees ... before you get anyone to hire you for a single gig. Expect more "no"s than "yes"s ... but keep going until you are 100% sure no one is interested at all.

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02-10-2013
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Models need to be confident and establish confidence through work experience and developing their style, however I also believe in trial and error. By this, I mean models can make mistakes with the style they incorporate into shoots, there is usually a lot of portfolio building and photographers can approach models. I have seen the most successful models come into the industry with a developed style, and I believe this is one of the reasons behind their success however other less knowledged models can lack understanding of bringing their style and personality into shoots.

Anyone also noticed this or encountered this through experience? I am also quite keen to hear people's thoughts on how they perceive themselves and also how they see other models, do you think models get self conscious of their style, looks, work? Do you think common models compare themselves to each other?

I believe there is less jealousy amongst the top models but I can see that if models were to develop an attitude, they might not last because of the negativity.

What are your thoughts?


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How long does it typically take the big NY agencies (Ford, Elite, Fusion, DNA, etc.) to respond to online submissions? What would you say is the longest and shortest amount of time would they take?

Also, big thanks for this thread and especially to BetteT for all this great information!

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