Eurasian Beauties

[_teddy_]

Originally Posted by czilla

Yeah, yourbestfriend, I totally agree. She definitely has the look!

Here are some more photos of Jacqueline Alblas, who as has been pointed out on the male eye candy thread, is Andrew Moore (hapa male model)'s gf

She's been on the cover of Singapore Elle and Bazaar, but I can't find those shots. She's with Supreme, 5'10"... 34-24-34:

check out those hips... hot

[nanker_phledge]

Originally Posted by marqueemoon

I think the problem lies in the fact that since the term Oriental has gone out of favor, there is no way of distinguishing between East Asians and the rest of Asia. People from the two sides of Asia bear no physical similarities and have completely different cultures, so it seems strange to clump them all together. I always think it's a little odd when an Indian refers to himself as "Asian." Sure, he's technically Asian but Asian and Oriental have become synonymous in my mind.

Again you would be technically Eurasian but the term is usually applied to people who are half White and half East Asian (Oriental). The difference is you're completely Caucasian and they are not.

I don't agree either . The term 'oriental' has a wider definition , and mind you in 'middle east' there's also the term 'east' .'Oriental' also refers to the Islamic arab world , (if you study 'oriental languages' it includes middle-eastern languages ) . Jews who have settled for centuries and come from the Middle-East are called 'Oriental Jews' , and the groundbreaking work 'Orientalism' by Edward Said refers to the image that the European culture had of the Islamic Arab world throughout history and actually sort of re-defined the term 'oriental' regarding its pejorative use in European studies , oriental art also refers to Islamic arab art and the ones who are called 'orientalists' like Delacroix , Flaubert or Ingres also include the ones who got interested in Islamic arab cultures , most part of Gérard de Nerval' s classic 'Voyage en Orient' is settled in the Middle-East.

'The real problem with Oriental is more likely its connotations stemming from an earlier era when Europeans viewed the regions east of the Mediterranean as exotic lands full of romance and intrigue, the home of despotic empires and inscrutable customs. At the least these associations can give Oriental a dated feel, and as a noun in contemporary contexts (as in the first Oriental to be elected from the district) it is now widely taken to be offensive. However, Oriental should not be thought of as an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations.' (from dictionary.com)

[morbidexistence]

I'm not sure if she is asian descendant but...she seems eurasian anyways:

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[nanker_phledge]

Originally Posted by galviggo

Why do you not consider the Lebanese part of yourself of the "middle east" (I also think it's unfortunate that there is no such "official category" here in the US) or did I get the term wrong? I'm asking honestly. I mean no disrespect.

Well I do , but why should I be obliged to say 'I'm a middle-east Asian' instead of 'I'm Asian' ? Where did I deny that my Lebanese background was related to my 'Middle-Eastern' identity ? Would a Chinese say 'I'm a South-East Asian' instead of 'I'm an Asian' ? I was just pointing out that the middle-eastern identity is also a part of a vast Asian one as well and that Asia was not restricted and confined to South-East Asia and that it's just a region of the world which doesn't refer to a specific ethnic background (at least for me) . It's just that sometimes it makes me angry when a South East Asian (and it happened a lot of times) sort raises their eyebrows when I say that 'I'm Asian' because 'Asia' sort of only revolves around the far East for them.

Back to the 'oriental' issue , actually thinking about it , 'moyen-ORIENT' is the French term for 'middle-east'.

[nanker_phledge]

Originally Posted by morbidexistence

I'm not sure if she is asian descendant but...she seems eurasian anyways:

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crazycreeks.com

Well she does , but she's actually Brazilian.

[galviggo]

Originally Posted by nanker_phledge

Well I do , but why should I be obliged to say 'I'm middle-eastern' instead of 'I'm Asian' ? Where did I deny that my Lebanese background was related to my 'Middle-Eastern' identity ? I was just pointing out that the middle-eastern identity is also a part of a vast Asian one as well and that Asia was not restricted and confined to South-East Asia and that Asia was just a region of the world not referring to a specific ethnic background (at least for me) . It's just that sometimes it makes me angry when a South East Asian (and it happened a lot of times) sort raises their eyebrows when I say that 'I'm Asian' because 'Asia' sort of only revolves around the far East for them.

I see what you mean. OK, well I'll be honest and say I've probably acted this way before to someone in your situation. I really don't/didn't mean it as an insult and I'm guessing they didn't, either. I honestly WAS/AM STILL confused when for example an Indian identified himself as "Asian"...I go to school with an Afghani girl who introduced herself as "Asian" at a meeting. My response was simply because 1) I use the term Asian to refer to East Asian/the far east and 2) she looks completely CAUCASIAN with Caucasian features (albeit a little exaggerated), extremely curly "bronze"-colored hair (which East Asians NEVER have), and a Caucasian build.

I don't mean to say my definition is right, btw. It just so happens to be the one I use. Actually some northern East Asians don't even consider parts of Southeast Asia East Asian. For example my mom has a lot of hawaiian, pacific islander (incl. polynesian) blood, and in fact NONE of her blood can be traced back to the mainland (China/Han peoples), Japan, or Korea, so according to some people's definitions she is not "East Asian". OK, then what is she? Caucasian?? Certainly not. But by some people's definitions of east Asian she is excluded and, by default so am I.

[galviggo]

Originally Posted by nanker_phledge

Well she does , but she's actually Brazilian.

She's beautiful!
So who is she? Name? Is she a model or actress?
She reminds me of Simone Kerr from IMG.

If she really was Eurasian then she got a lucky mix. Most Eurasians I know end up looking less pretty than that. Most people have in mind Eurasian as looking something like that girl; well sadly in my experience it's not usually the case...

She has the long nose/wide mouth combo I like.

[marqueemoon]

Originally Posted by nanker_phledge

Well I do , but why should I be obliged to say 'I'm middle-eastern' instead of 'I'm Asian' ? Where did I deny that my Lebanese background was related to my 'Middle-Eastern' identity ? I was just pointing out that the middle-eastern identity is also a part of a vast Asian one as well and that Asia was not restricted and confined to South-East Asia and that Asia was just a region of the world not referring to a specific ethnic background (at least for me) . It's just that sometimes it makes me angry when a South East Asian (and it happened a lot of times) sort raises their eyebrows when I say that 'I'm Asian' because 'Asia' sort of only revolves around the far East for them.

"Asian" is confusing because it's not clear whether it refers to race or geography. Either it should be used in a strictly racial way to refer to East Asians since the term "East Asian" is so clunky, or some new term should be invented. Why should people who live on opposite ends of a massive continent be clumped together when they clearly share no physical or cultural characteristics? The term European just happens to work well because all Europeans are Caucasian and Europe is rather unified culturally, but the same is not true for Asia and its people.

[morbidexistence]

yes i'm glad you liked her. and i know she is brazilian but so is juliana imai.
so what is she doing here in this thread? if she's here then renata maciel belongs here just as well.
anyways i'm sorry i was in a rush or something and i completely forgot to write her name.
She's renata maciel dos santos. there is a thread on her...
she's beautiful and she's from the same period of the brazilian boom and gisele's.

Originally Posted by galviggo

She's beautiful!
So who is she? Name? Is she a model or actress?
She reminds me of Simone Kerr from IMG.

If she really was Eurasian then she got a lucky mix. Most Eurasians I know end up looking less pretty than that. Most people have in mind Eurasian as looking something like that girl; well sadly in my experience it's not usually the case...

She has the long nose/wide mouth combo I like.

[nanker_phledge]

Her name is Renata Maciel and she's a model ...

[marqueemoon]

Originally Posted by galviggo

She's beautiful!
So who is she? Name? Is she a model or actress?
She reminds me of Simone Kerr from IMG.

If she really was Eurasian then she got a lucky mix. Most Eurasians I know end up looking less pretty than that. Most people have in mind Eurasian as looking something like that girl; well sadly in my experience it's not usually the case...

She has the long nose/wide mouth combo I like.

I've seen her before. She happens to look particularly good here, but I suspect if you saw more of her you wouldn't like her based on your taste.

Hmmm...I just noticed that she looks a bit like Olivia Hussey.

[morbidexistence]

i really don't know what you mean...marqueemoon she is beautiful...

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[_teddy_]

Originally Posted by galviggo

I knew, from prior experience at another messageboard, that bringing race and my personal take on it would probably generate some heat so I'll clarify once and then leave it be.

You are defining yourself using an old geographical term. I'm defining the group based on race (physical characteristics) although I realize that doesn't always work, either. My definition of "Asian" does not encompass any part of the middle east. When I say Asian I mean East Asian. I speak for most other East Asians I know who are confused when persons of, say, Indian or middle eastern descent classify themselves as "Asian." Why do you not consider the Lebanese part of yourself of the "middle east" (I also think it's unfortunate that there is no such "official category" here in the US) or did I get the term wrong? I'm asking honestly. I mean no disrespect.

I'm not about to get all anthropological because I don't have the necessary background, but I DO think the geographical term "Asia Minor" (on which I think you base your argument) needs to be redefined and split up into other segments. It covers too massive an amount of space and too many ethnic subgroups to be a homogenous entity such that the term would imply. The term "Asian" as I personally use it includes only East Asians. (But even within this group people fight about how much territory East Asian includes: I know some Chinese people who don't consider Indonesians, Burmese, Filipina (due to Spanish blood I wager) "East Asian." And I'm not sure what to do with Mongolia and Tibet, I think they're closely related to each other but not terribly similar to most East Asians.) Personally, I'm not even sure where the boundaries of "East Asian" lie. All this presupposes that one classifies race according to one specific set of criteria: physical features/race, or geographical location, etc. and not a mix.

Indians, Kashmiri, Pakistani, etc. are classified as Caucasian from both a racial and an anthropological point of view. And why shouldn't they be? From a physical standpoint they are Caucasian. They have Caucasian features with dark, dusky coloring. They have Caucasian builds: tall, longer-limbed. They look nothing like East Asians with flatter faces and shorter stature. If you include parts of the middle east then drew a line of demarcation up, then practically half of Russia and all of the "stan"-countries end up Asian, too. Yet they share no physical traits with East Asians, neither in face nor form. Not even in coloring, one of those less important characteristics!: East Asians never have light-colored eyes (that I know of) while many folks in the middle east do. (In parts of Asia, I am addressed in formal English probably because my hair and eyes are a little different in shade, yet I speak the language fluently. That is how narrow some people's idea of Asian is.) Linguistically, they are vastly dissimilar. They have completely different cultures as well. I see no reason they should be put in the same category. They have nothing in common (save that we're all human of course ).

This article basically sums up my take on how misleading the term "Asian" is:
http://www.isteve.com/2002_Who_Exactly_Is_an_Asian_American.htm
I agree with what he's saying in general.

Or maybe I could become more consistent in referring to the better portion of my background as "East Asian" rather than just "Asian." Right now, I use both terms and I use them interchangeably. I never use the term "Oriental" because I hate it. I always think of a rug or a vase or something not human.

[Or: Perhaps the notion of race has become outdated because I am seeing more and more second and third-generation Asians (East Asians) call themselves "American" drawing no distinction between nationality and race. I don't know whether this is a phenomenon particular to certain groups of East Asians, usually in big cities and able to trace Americanized backgrounds back to the 1800s when the first wave of Chinese and then Japanese immigrated here. They tell me recognizing race is old and oudated; prevents assimilation and perpetuates racism, etc. I do understand their reasons, even though I find it a little sad. I guess it's the same for them: A lot of them have never been to Asia, can't speak the language, don't understand let alone practice the culture, been raised in a completely American way of life, married other Americans, etc. etc. but to be honest I cannot view the world without race and I don't know how they do it either. I don't view that was as a positive or negative thing; it just is.]

Yea I agree. Realisitically anyone oritental looking is considered asian in north american and european populations. Anyone with straight black hair, yellow skin, their sterotypical slanty eyes, low nose bridge, etc are oriental hense asian.

Some people add the extra term oriental asian when describing chinese koreans and japanese for example, to clarify oriental isntead of asians which can include indians whom they dont consider to be oriental looking.

Historically speaking, japanese koreans and chinese etc have close bonds where their culture crosses a lot more than compared to neven neighboring cultures. You can tell by their language even used today and their literature. Their art forms are similar also and as do their religious beleifs are also similar.

Their looks are different. I personally think indian people are more caucasian looking than asians do and I do believe anthropologically they are considered caucasians to a degree (the indians and the persians etc).

It is also important to note that regardless of the science of it all (anthropology), the mainstream population consider caucasian features to be that of similarity to the greeks. Basically in our media influenced minds (or whatever else the raesons), the most caucasian person is one that mostly resembles greeks (as in ancient greece, like the statues) in facial features and body type. Even amonghst caucasians we can tell who is 'more' caucasian looking and who is 'less' caucasian looking. For example Kiristen Dunst looks less caucasian than sandra bullock, agree? Why do we think that anyways. I think realisitcally they are both 'just as caucasian'. But because sandra bullock has more 'caucasian' features and dunst has a flatter sounder face, she is less caucasian.

It is also important to note that we only see 3 spectrums. The caucasians, the african blacks and oriental asians. With african blackss out of the equation, people generally consider asians to be the opposite in looks to caucasians. What is not a caucasian feature is an asian feature and what is asian is not caucasian. Hense when asians have big eyes or double eyelids or high nose bridge they are 'caucasian features'.

Thats how it is though and racism/racial disparity generally occurs as a result of looks and how we differ from each other physically.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by nanker_phledge

Source for Tina Baltzer's pictures : http://www.supermodels.nl/tinabaltzer

For Bambou's pictures : www.gainsbourg.net and http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mix.wave/gai...up/poupees.htm

For Kristin Kreuk's picture :http://blog.doctissimo.fr/php/blog/a...in%20kreuk.jpg

For Mylène Jampanoi's pictures : www.mylenejampanoi.com

For Julie Dreyfus' picture :www.iansmith.co.uk

For Nerry Lynch's pictures : www.hintmag.com

Thank you for the links and credits

_teddy_, i've always thought that Kirsten Dunst would be considered to be more caucasian than Sandra Bullock, simply because of the whole "blue blooded" pilgram idea back from the times the settlers came to America. Theyre idea of blue blood, which was the highest form of the "white" race was blue eyed and blonde hair. That was also the ideal Hitler was going for even though he had brown hair

[fashionkitten7]

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