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yeah agree too,but wa cant deny how gorgeous she was. like a really unique/exotic beauty.IMO

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^And right now who is more "established"? Karlie has done OG work for mostly every high fashion magazine and brand out there!

Just answer me this question and I'll leave it alone.. How many other girls in this industry have done what Karlie has done..

1) Done great multiple blue chip OG campaigns back to back..
2) Dior, Donna Karan and Oscar De La Renta campaigns back to back.. All OG except for Donna Karan..
3) She has support from many magazine editors..
4) Doesn't seem to be slowing down.. People said she doesn't have any support in Europe but rumor has it that she is doing the Etro campaign
5) She does have a good amount of international Vogue Covers
6) Every show season she opens and/or closes half of the shows that she walks in
7) She might not have had the best walk when she started, but nobody else in this industry from her generation right now actually has a signature walk.. NOBODY!
8) She dipped her foot in the commercial industry and started doing more work and this girl is honestly a chamilion in millions of ways! The camera just loves her!
9) She has fragrance contracts up the as*


I might love Natasha, but I do agreee that she'll just bypass the number one spot and go straight to icons because the girl is iconic.. She died her hair for one show and everybody was talking about it.. Girls like Iris Strubegger who died her hair like a million times during the same season and not even a single buzz about it.. I feel like Natasha is just nearing celebrety status in the industry now..

To me it just feels like Karlie is next up to be number one, Joan just started and so has Saskia and Arizona.. And neither of those three girls honestly have what it takes to stay in the business for so long.. But who knows.. As of this point, the only girl who has the resume, time and ability to back her sh*t up is Karlie.

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I'm not fan of Arizona but Arizona is a strong candidate, for me the new N1
In only 3 Seasons she did

Yves Saint Laurent (OG)
Prada (MG)
YSL Beauty (MG)
Alberta Ferretti (OG)
Chloe (MG)
Rag & Bone (MG)
Louis Vuitton Cruise (OG)
David Yurman (MG)
and now Fendi as an OG


About Big Covers:
Vogue Italia (MG)
Vogue Paris (OG)
Vogue Russia (OG)
Also she's always in Vogue US

She's in the industry for not so long. . & from what i see she's more strong than Karlie!
Karlie is too much commercial for me!
The N1 (Daria, Raquel, Gemma) were especially high fashion models, but doing also commercial thing, but Karlie 4 me is more commercial than high fashion

If not Arizona i think Joan will be good as well, the only problem about her are the covers!!


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Just answer me this question and I'll leave it alone.. How many other girls in this industry have done what Karlie has done..
I'll tell you what she hasn't done: About 10+ career making campaigns. She has not done Chanel, Fendi, Balenciaga, YSL, Prada, Calvin Klein, Versace, Gucci, Lanvin, Giorgio Armani, Louis Vuitton, Valentino, Givenchy, Hugo Boss, etc. Yes she has done brands like Donna Karen, Pringle of Scotland, Etro, ODLR, Marc Jacobs fragrance ads, but these are all B list to A- list campaigns. She needs to do 6-7 of the big names that I mentioned before she can be considered number 1. Karlie has a lot of industry backing, but not a lot of campaign love. She's everywhere in a sense, but her only real A+ blue chip campaign work in my opinion is Dior. She needs to do more campaigns for the big French and Italian brands.

Also she no beauty contract, Dior cosmetics doesn't count as lots of models have 1-2 season cosmetic campaigns, which is not the same as a contract such as Estee Lauder, L'oreal or Maybelline. Also, almost every girl who has been number 1 has had a US vogue cover, which she still needs to get, I don't doubt that she will in the future.

Karlie is established, but there's still so much she hasn't done. That is the distinction between girls like Karlie and Joan/Arizona. Joan and Arizona are getting the BIGGEST campaigns and doing them only girl. Less so with Joan, but Joan has EL.

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^You want A+ campaigns from Karlie? There's Hermes, Dole & Gabbana, Chloe and Alexander McQueen.. And you have got to be kidding me with this.. When was the last time Lara fronted YSL? Versace? Gucci? Lanvin? Even Valentino..

And don't try to tell me that Chloe and Alexander McQueen aren't blue chip campaigns because then you have got to tell people that not all the campaigns that Raquel Zimmermann and Sigrid Agren got last season are blue chip! People have got to remember that ODLR did not use new girls before Karlie's chance there..

And do you really need a cosmetics contract? Because if so, you have to got to count Anja and Natasha out of the running then for sure! But do you really need one when you can more than likely get a Victoria's Secret Angel contract? I doubt there would be any persicussion on Karlie and being able to do HF and VS considering all the support that she has..

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^ i agree. besides, if that is true about needing 6-7 different brands blue chip campaigns before being number 1, lara stone wouldn't be where she is today.

and joan is definitely not getting THE biggest campaigns as OG. yes, EL helps. but karlie's campaign and editorial records far outweigh joan's. if she were to get a VS contract, even as a Pink angel, or whatever their level below 'Angel' is, the discussion should be over...

but i think until all SS campaigns are announced this discussion will go in cirlces.

 
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^You want A+ campaigns from Karlie? There's Hermes, Dole & Gabbana, Chloe and Alexander McQueen.. And you have got to be kidding me with this.. When was the last time Lara fronted YSL? Versace? Gucci? Lanvin? Even Valentino..

And don't try to tell me that Chloe and Alexander McQueen aren't blue chip campaigns because then you have got to tell people that not all the campaigns that Raquel Zimmermann and Sigrid Agren got last season are blue chip! People have got to remember that ODLR did not use new girls before Karlie's chance there..

And do you really need a cosmetics contract? Because if so, you have to got to count Anja and Natasha out of the running then for sure! But do you really need one when you can more than likely get a Victoria's Secret Angel contract? I doubt there would be any persicussion on Karlie and being able to do HF and VS considering all the support that she has..
Agree. Not to mention forget about Freja then also.
I do think Chloe isn't that bluechip, but hey Karlie did Dior, Alexander mcQueen etc. etc.

Also.. Joan doesn't have a SINGLE OG campaign and not even ONE vogue cover.
Although Arizona does have a very impressive list, she is way to new to be allready #1 (that means if lara will be replaced in febr.) more likely she will move up in time.

 
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Men's List update

Ollie Edwards is out (he's in the Money Guys list at 12)
Charlie France is out
Yannick Abrath debuted at 47
Anthon Wellsjo - from 23 to 21
Robin Ahrens - from 26 to 27
Jonathan Marquez - from 27 to 29
Patrick Kafka - from 29 to 30
Lenz von Johnston - from 30 to 23
Paul Boche - from 47 to 50

i think i'm over this ranking!
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stam is back. first cover girl now swarovski. she also has mercedes which is very big commercially.

she deserves to be in the top 10. she has a stronger resume than anna j. mercedes, swarovski and cover girl contract are huge contract.

on the other note, i agree that arizona has to the strongest resume at the moment. but i guarantee she wont take over lara as the number one on the ranking bc she is relatively new and her overall resume is not as strong as freja's. freja is still has the edge over her.

campaign wise, mdc will definitely give joan more points for scoring bigger campaigns, commercially, than arizona. as we all know, a long term cosmetic contract in general scores the most points. so campaign wise i think joan has the edge over arizona but vice versa when it comes to printing.

 
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I know I keep repeating myself, but I think that if Joan gets EL, Chanel & Gucci in one season, she will be the one to beat (plus a big Vogue cover). EL is probably the best cosmetics contracts out there, Chanel is the holy grail of rtw campaigns, & Gucci is one of the most frequently seen ads in all magazines. Those three combined honestly do make a supermodel if you ask me. She isn't leaving EL anytime soon, and she already has earned her loyalty from Gucci (3 campaigns). Karl is also very loyal to his models (minus Abbey Lee). People say that the Joan hype is a fluke, but she isn't going anywhere. I mean, how can she be a fluke if she has shot with all the major photographers multiple times? Usually, girls that are one-hit wonders are only supported by one or two major photographers. For example, 3 out of 4 of Iris's big campaigns were shot by M&M- 2 Givenchy & 1 Valentino. Joan has done:

M&M- Gucci, Givenchy, Roberto Cavalli, Stella McCartney
Mario Sorrenti- Barney's, Pirelli Calendar
Craig McDean- EL, Gap
Peter Lindbergh- David Yurman
I&V- H&M Holiday
Karl Lagerfeld- Chanel

Give it up, haters. She has done all that in just three seasons. Joan is quickly becoming a Terry Richardson fave, as well. She isn't going anywhere because she clearly has the industry support.

Although Karlie has an impressive resume, I think MDC weighs the future more heavily than the past when deciding who should become #1. Karlie has had her fair share of bluechip campaigns, but MDC bases their decision on buzz & industry support. If Karlie get a VS contract, it could either be the kiss of death to HF, or the track to supermodel-dom like Gisele. We will see what happens. I personally think EL is a more respected company than VS is to the fashion crowd. EL caters to the same client that buys Gucci & Chanel, while VS caters to younger girls who buy Juicy Couture. I'm not a VS hater by any means, though. It's just harder for a model to do both when big photographers don't see them as HF anymore.

Once again, we will see what happens............
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I know I keep repeating myself, but I think that if Joan gets EL, Chanel & Gucci in one season, she will be the one to beat (plus a big Vogue cover). EL is probably the best cosmetics contracts out there, Chanel is the holy grail of rtw campaigns, & Gucci is one of the most frequently seen ads in all magazines. Those three combined honestly do make a supermodel if you ask me. She isn't leaving EL anytime soon, and she already has earned her loyalty from Gucci (3 campaigns). Karl is also very loyal to his models (minus Abbey Lee). People say that the Joan hype is a fluke, but she isn't going anywhere. I mean, how can she be a fluke if she has shot with all the major photographers multiple times? Usually, girls that are one-hit wonders are only supported by one or two major photographers. For example, 3 out of 4 of Iris's big campaigns were shot by M&M- 2 Givenchy & 1 Valentino. Joan has done:

M&M- Gucci, Givenchy, Roberto Cavalli, Stella McCartney
Mario Sorrenti- Barney's, Pirelli Calendar
Craig McDean- EL, Gap
Peter Lindbergh- David Yurman
I&V- H&M Holiday
Karl Lagerfeld- Chanel


Give it up, haters. She has done all that in just three seasons. Joan is quickly becoming a Terry Richardson fave, as well. She isn't going anywhere because she clearly has the industry support.

Although Karlie has an impressive resume, I think MDC weighs the future more heavily than the past when deciding who should become #1. Karlie has had her fair share of bluechip campaigns, but MDC bases their decision on buzz & industry support. If Karlie get a VS contract, it could either be the kiss of death to HF, or the track to supermodel-dom like Gisele. We will see what happens. I personally think EL is a more respected company than VS is to the fashion crowd. EL caters to the same client that buys Gucci & Chanel, while VS caters to younger girls who buy Juicy Couture. I'm not a VS hater by any means, though. It's just harder for a model to do both when big photographers don't see them as HF anymore.

Once again, we will see what happens............
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liranyana is that you? where u been
ohhhw wait.

LOL im just Kidding

but yeah goo JOAN!

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^and she appeals to both men & women!!!!

 
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^ does Joan have an ethereal personality too?

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^yep, she sure does. SHE'S THE ONLY OPTION!!!!
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also in response to #884. just to clarify i am not in anyway using this as an argument for abbey lee to be number 1 lol. clearly that is not going to happen. but just wanted to say that just because abbey didn't have freja's run with chanel, does not mean karl is not loyal to her. she has opened/closed or been near one of the first faces for many of his shows when counting cruise, ss, fw, couture. he has shot her multiple times for numero, HB etc, shot her for pirelli, and she appeared in those stupid (sorry, but i hated them) short films that he made for Chanel.


but anyway back on topic, i am getting really frustrated waiting for all the campaign names to be released!!! for a few seasons it hasn't possibly effected the top 5 so much as now

 
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