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So there really is no Rosie... I am surprised to see behati as in this line-up because she did not do much for VS lately?
But she's ubber cute, I keep her over Chanel as Pink anytime

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Having three similar blondes in Candice, Erin, and Lindsay is no different than when VS had three similar brunettes in Adriana, Alessandra, and Izabel.

I liked how all the angels got wings last year. It would be cool if each angel got to wear wings again this year - even the old ones that I don't like.
Im not saying that having three blondes it's too much, it's just that the three of them look alike, especially Erin & Lindsay look like sisters & a lot of people tends to get them mix ...

Alessandra & Izabel do look alike a lot & im guessing that's why they didn't keep Izabel around anymore, so i hope they get rid at least of one of them now too because it makes no sense to have them at the same time.

I agree with tlg00 though, VS needs more diversity ... It's like the blonde side, the brunette side & then there's just Chanel & she's barely represented in the main line

 
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^ whilst i am all for diversity, i must say it sort of annoys me when people say there's the blondes, the brunettes, and then chanel. last time i checked not all the blondes and brunettes are of the same ethnicity either. its like people categorise all the the others by their hair colour, and chanel by her skin. i think we either just lump her in with the brunettes too, or begin to recognise that just because the others all may have 'fairer' skin, doesn't mean they are all the same.

 
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But that's how VS marks their models! They have scenes with just blondes in the commercials, scenes with just the brunettes ... They may not be from the same ethnicity but i don't think VS really cares about it, the only thing it matters it's looks for them. They need to represent all kind of woman, because when people goes to a VS store they don't know if Candice is South African or Russian, they just know that she's a blue-eyed blonde & not everyone can relate to that or find it appealing

& just the idea of VS doing the "one black model at the time" itself makes me wanna vomit to be honest

 
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^ yeh that is true, i guess for people who aren't model fans they wouldn't know who is what. i guess from that point of view though i still see some physical diversity in the brunettes (i'm not talking just angels, but models in general who appear in their catalogues and shows).. it is a tough subject though. do you add another black model and cut a blonde BECAUSE she is blonde? its actually sad that it is still such a contentious issue to tackle!

 
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Erin and Lindsay look alike? Since when? lol
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^ yeh i don't see it either, just because two people have blonde hair doesn't mean their faces look anything alike

 
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It might be maybe stuid to stereotype I know but I think it would be good if VS specialised its models a bit more. I feel Erin fit the VSX very well (sporty image) and Lindsey is kinda very sweet and I think she is good for fragrance. And Candice is the sexy blonde one that flirst on camera and prints. Chanel as the cute pink representative and Adri/Ale/Doutzen/Miranda are the 4 lead Sexy Mama angels

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^I agree that would be smart. Remember how when Pink was launched, Alessandra was like the "face" of pink while still being a main Angel? I understand Behati is like that, but it would be neat to see like someone for the Fragrances, or make up.

I would be curious to see if Rosie would even be in the show this year. I think it would be a good platform for her, but if she wanted to, i wonder if should would be a part of the cast.

speaking of which, I wonder if we will be getting any videos soon! Themes? Music? Make up? Hair? I'm dying!

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It's Marisa with one 's'. #134 There is no need to bring Marisa's name up each time someone wanna say smth good about one model by putting Marisa down in any light at the same time. ( "Miranda's bra is not as ugly as Marisa's", " Marissa is still there so why not Erin" and so on). Really, let her be already.

I, for one, don't care too much for "diversity", meaning if there are no asians, no black girls in vs I am just fine with just 'european looking'/"white" models so to speak.

Still do not see what is so wow about Lais, sorry. Vsfs 2010 - she was downright boring even with that nice body she has and all the hype I expected a true bombshell, in catalogues she bores me too and does not sell anything to me, just don't see there anything wow let alone 'being vs angel material'. Between Brazilians her and Emanuela being no fan of either of them I'd still go with the latter, at least she has sparkles in her eyes and personality-wise stands out more, seems more approachable, upbeat and fun. :p

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tlg00, thank you so much for all that you said. I hate when this thread goes into that discussion and then diverts to the lindsey vs erin or something else extremely mundane.

and to Juliax, I'm assuming you're white because you must have no idea what it feels like to be underrepresented in the fashion world where advertisements are constantly telling you that beauty is represented by some long legged white girl with bouncy hair and blue eyes. Of course I'm generalizing, but what I'm saying is that I am an actual customer of VS, so I feel that I should be represented in their ads on what they think is beautiful, and not just some white/european girl representing those ideals of beauty.

which is why, even though I am NOT a fan of Chanel for VS, I'm not hating on her because right now, she's all we've got. I would prefer someone who looks more mature and actually has a womanly figure, but at the same time, there can be more than just one black girl for VS. Brown-skinned girls come in all shades take your pick VS...Emanuela, Arlenis, Lais, Cris, Joan, Jourdan, etc.

 
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@Juliax: You misinterpreted my post. I was not putting Marisa down in any way. I was simply saying I wouldn't take the vsallaccess.com line-up all that seriously because they still have Marisa under their "angels", when she has been gone for over a year.
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at the same time, there can be more than just one black girl for VS.
Making it to angel status is difficult for any model - regardless of race. VS essentially has to fall in love with her, and you can't make them do that. They like who they like, love who they love, and they have their reasons for each selection that they've made. With always having just one black angel all the time, it really does feel like a "token" scenario even if that isn't their intention.

I do think there are other areas where they can do more with including models of color through the catalogs and the fashion show even if the models aren't being elevated to an angel status. When talking about the lack of models of color within the VS bubble, it extends to those with some Asian heritage as well.

Ujjwala Raut, who is from India, did the show for a few years. Jessica Gomes had a handful of VS pictures many years ago. Jarah Mariano, who has some Korean heritage, has started shooting swim with them again. Juliana Imai (part Japanese) did the catalogs for a minute or two. Liu Wen has done both the catalogs and the shows. They do tend to shoot a few black models for their catalogs on a regular basis, but they don't do the same thing with Asian models. The fashion show is one area more than any other where VS can really step outside of their box. They have their ten angels that are guaranteed spots. That's a given. Out of the other 20 or 25 filler models, they could stand to mix things up in that area a little more IMO.


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I, for one, don't care too much for "diversity", meaning if there are no asians, no black girls in vs I am just fine with just 'european looking'/"white" models so to speak.
I wouldn't be opposed to more "diversity" within VS but at the same time I could care less. It's VS models, not the Presidents cabinet. Plus I would rather them do it on their own terms as opposed to "having" to do so because of social pressure and to seem "fair".

Even if they do get a more diverse cast, they'll take their formula and mke them all look the same. They'll straighten out a black girls hair, put more white eyeliner on an Asian girl to open her eyes, cast the girl who doesn't need her hair highlighted, add in extensions and so on.

This can be a really, really long conversation but it's gonna fall for the most part on deaf ears so why bother? Plus it's not the racial diversity thread (BTW, is there such thing here?) It's the VS show which personally I enjoy as mindless fun and for the spectacle. I'm not going to be thinking, "Oh Alessandra's wings would look so much better if they were on an Asian girl" or the average viewer won't be thinking, "Oh that outfit would look better on a girl with darker skin!", they're thinking "Oh she's hot.... she's alright.... dang those are big wings... hey Akon is playing, I need to download that song".

Anyways, I am hating the cut of the FB like no other as well as those pearls, I love the idea behind it but it was executed horribly. The Tassel is nice, but the colors are off. If they go for an aquatic theme I hope the outfits are something like this:


(beautyisdiverse.com)

 
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^I agree that would be smart. Remember how when Pink was launched, Alessandra was like the "face" of pink while still being a main Angel? I understand Behati is like that, but it would be neat to see like someone for the Fragrances, or make up.

I would be curious to see if Rosie would even be in the show this year. I think it would be a good platform for her, but if she wanted to, i wonder if should would be a part of the cast.

speaking of which, I wonder if we will be getting any videos soon! Themes? Music? Make up? Hair? I'm dying!
I would love to see Rosie there! We'll see.

And shoot, the show is about a month away, I hope we get more info soon as well.

 
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