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neither is VOGUE ?
how many are there? did she get many? which edition of Vogue did she appear? and even she got more than twenty covers of Vogue, that doesn't make her a supermodel either, count how many Raquel gets, and tell me if you think she's a supermodel.

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Nadege and Valeria Together how funny!

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how many are there? did she get many? which edition of Vogue did she appear? and even she got more than twenty covers of Vogue, that doesn't make her a supermodel either, count how many Raquel gets, and tell me if you think she's a supermodel.
Raquel Welch? what???

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Guys, this is becoming a funny game. Valeria Mazza is an invention of Pancho Dotto, an controversial argentine manager. I was still living in Uruguay when this girl started her career. Is true, she did some outstanding works (Versace, some Vogue editorials, and good fashion shows), but is far far far to be a supermodel. That some media insist on considering her supermodel, does not mean she is (today even Bar Refaeli is considered one). I think we all agree that to be super a girl must have tons of campaigns (both high fashion and commercial), tons of shows, tons of editorials and covers of important magazines and finally make a big impact in the worldwide media. This is the path the original supers & Gisele followed.

Then there is another path: to be a Victoria´s Secret angel, but still do some high fashion. This is the case of Heidi, Adriana & Alessandra.

The day you can give the names of 10 class A campaigns, 10 class A covers and 10 extra outstanding works she has done, I'll consider Valeria Mazza as a super.
Pancho Dotto was her manager just in the beginning, then she became a client of FORD and ELITE.

As I already said... I don't care what common people think about the FACT that she is a SUPERMODEL, because It's a fact.

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To give you an example of what a super is, please check Gisele´s campaigns database below (not updated):

HIGH FASHION CAMPAIGNS

*Balenciaga (SS 03; SS 05) = 2
*Celine (FW 99/00; SS 00; FW 00/01) = 3
*Chloé (FW 98/99) = 1
*Dior (SS 00; FW 01/02;SS 02; FW 02/03; SS 03; SS 04; FW 04/05; SS 09). = 8
*Dolce & Gabbana (SS 99; FW 99/00; SS 00; FW 00/01; SS 01; FW 01/02; SS 02; FW 02/03; SS 03; FW 03/04) = 10
*DSquared2 (FW 05/06) = 1
*Givenchy (FW 00/01 = 1)
*Jean Paul Gaultier (FW 05/06) = 1
*Louis Vuitton (SS 06) = 1
*Missoni (FW 98/99; SS 02; FW 02/03; SS 03) = 4
*Gianfranco Ferré (FW 97/98) = 1
*Ralph Lauren (FW 98/99; FW 99/00) = 2
*Roberto Cavalli (SS 07) = 1
*Valentino (FW 98/99; FW 99/00; FW 04/05; SS 05) = 4
*Versace (FW 98/99; SS 99; FW 99/00; SS 08; SS 09; FW 09/10) = 6
*Yves Saint Laurent (FW 07/08) = 1

OTHERS

* Aquascutum (FW 07/08; SS 08; FW 08/09)
* Bebé (FW 96)
* Earl Jean (SS 04)
* El Corte Inglés (SS 05)
* Gloria Vanderbilt (FW 05/06)
* H& M (SS 00)
* Joop! (SS 06; FW 06/07; SS 07)
* Polo Ralph Lauren Jeans (SS 01; FW 01/02; SS 02)
* Versace Jeans Couture (SS 99; SS 00)
* Stefanel (SS 06; FW 06/07; SS 07; FW 07/08; SS 08; FW 08/09)
* St. John (FW 05/06)
* Strenesse (SS 99)
* Zara (SS 00)
* American Express (2007)
* Apple (2007)
* Blackglama (FW 00/01)
* Bulgari (2001)
* Calzedonia (SS 09)
* Disney (2008)
* Ebel (since 2006)
* Got Milk (2000)
* I am African (2007)
* L'Oreal (1996)
* Max Factor (since 2008)
* Otto (FW 05/06)
* Rampage (SS 09)
* Stiefelkonig (SS 07;FW 07/08;SS 08)
* True Religion (SS 09)
* Tug (FW 06/07; SS 07)
* Vakko (SS 07)
* Victoria's Secret (from 2000 to 2006)
* Vogue Eyewear (from 2006 to 2008)

FRAGRANCES

1999 Dolce & Gabbana Parfum
1999 Guerlain Champs Elysées Fragrance


2000 Lanvin Oxygene Fragrance
2006 Dolce & Gabbana The One Fragrance
2007 Cacharel Liberté Fragrance

Add to this, the editorials, covers, primetime tv appearances, VS, Forbes, Pirelli, fashion shows, etc, etc.

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Raquel Welch? what???
ZIMMERMANN!!!!! Good example, even ISABELI FONTANA, with a huuuuge resume both high fashion & commercial is a super.

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I think we ALL agree she is not a supermodel. case closed

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Raquel Welch? what???
i dont think you know much about the fashion industry. raquel has been in the industry for 15 years and has done almost everything impossible as a model...and u dont know her, that says a lot about your knowledge of the industry.

even raquel is not considered as a supermodel then valerie is pretty much considered as a come and go model. she is nowhere near the status of fashion icon, let's alone supermodel.

im feeling silly discussing about this. even heather marks and lisa cant are more accomplished that valerie.

"case closed"!

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Who started this Valerie non-sense!?!?!! I think most of us, off the top of our head, can think of at least 100 more models who were/are way more successful that arent even supermodels. Karlie is en route to supermodel in my opinion. A good mix this season, on top of her VS stuff. Stay a little ways she has to go though, just a little.

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i dont think you know much about the fashion industry. raquel has been in the industry for 15 years and has done almost everything impossible as a model...and u dont know her, that says a lot about your knowledge of the industry.

even raquel is not considered as a supermodel then valerie is pretty much considered as a come and go model. she is nowhere near the status of fashion icon, let's alone supermodel.

im feeling silly discussing about this. even heather marks and lisa cant are more accomplished that valerie.

"case closed"!
I think that says a lot about she is not even close a supermodel

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Who started this Valerie non-sense!?!?!! I think most of us, off the top of our head, can think of at least 100 more models who were/are way more successful that arent even supermodels. Karlie is en route to supermodel in my opinion. A good mix this season, on top of her VS stuff. Stay a little ways she has to go though, just a little.
Yeap, Karlie is on her way. Such a good addition to the VS team, specially considering the lack of personality the new angels have.

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^^what we are saying is her resume is solid but still isn't considered a super, that means to be a super is hard. and don't even think Valeria is a super, her latest cover is Velvet AE instead of Velvet Italy, that says a lot.

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Yeap, Karlie is on her way. Such a good addition to the VS team, specially considering the lack of personality the new angels have.
What do you mean by personality? Karlie has brought attention to VS, yes but positive attention she has not.

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What do you mean by personality? Karlie has brought attention to VS, yes but positive attention she has not.
That´s what I´m saying, Karlie has that high energy VS needs.

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Again, what is this 'high fashion energy'? I'm not trying to insult you but could you please elaborate?

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