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thank you for the report softgrey
glad it seems that you got to see things slowly enough to discover the purple yam.
but I didn't expect you to find and collect the fruit of the only plant the law here designates as deleterious substance, of all plants in japan. sasuga your sense must have caught something strong in it. a captain has to be yabai.


if you felt that there was something beneath the apearance or what you call surface, that might have been because the particular allusive surface spoke of the hidden by means of the hidden.
with that kind of stuff, zeami could give us some hints, sometimes likening secrets to flower.
he is a speaker of a clue, for example, as to why something looks good on someone while it doesn't on another, through the way of entertaining. he talks about the line.

it would be great if you could find a way for kimono to survive with your clothes.
over here maybe lots of japanese regard kimono too precious, which results in their separation in everyday life. so some designers are trying to make it easy and accessible, and connect it and its elements to the future.

from somarta S/S 2014
in the last pic, the designer is wearing what she calls kimono dress from the collection.

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well--more like a tour guide...

did you two finally meet?

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Zeami refers to the people who started the kabuki, around the 1550s, also check out kan ami, hope this helps...
Glad you enjoyed Tokyo too...

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thanks vetements...
hope you are feeling better now!

thanks for the kimono inspiration runner...
i confess that i am reluctant to cut the kimono short because so often much of the details are around the hem of the garment...
i did purposely find one that is just the same print all over and i plan to cut that one shorter...

i hate to cut off the sleeves---they are such a beautiful feature!
but the dress looks so good on the designer...
hmmm...
maybe i can cut one into a jacket and some sort of short dress...
yes-this definitely gives me ideas...
domo arigato gozaimasu...
...

i'll have to think about that some more...

i have been watching some older japanese films from the 60's and even a silent film from the 30's...
amazing!

one thing that i noticed is that the men quickly tie up the sleeves of their jackets as they are about to start fighting...
the men are always fighting somehow!......
sometimes they fight other men, sometimes they fight ghosts...
but they always are ready to fight!

anyway-i noticed mostly because i always think that kimonos are not the most practical things to wear...so much fabric and so many layers...
seems like it would be very warm---which explains everyone carrying fans!...
...
also seems like the sleeves would get caught or in the way when doing even basic things...

and then i noticed the tying thing...
makes sense...but, again...seems rather inconvenient...
...

i confess, i love the gardener outfits...sooooo much!!!...
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i'm also watching NHK every day now, so i am seeing japanese recipes and programs on different regions of japan and the general news about japan and asia...
some great programs...
they even mentioned zeami- so now i now how to pronounce it!...ha!

i made a mushroom and chicken hotpot today from a recipe i saw on that show...
i was inspired by all the gorgeous mushrooms i saw in tokyo so i went to the asian market and got several varieties which i had never made before...
i learned that japanese do not cut mushrooms, but they tear them instead in order for there to be more surface area for the flavour to absorb into...
i never heard of anyone doing that before, but it was really cool and fun to do!...

oishii......

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another interesting thing i did was visit some vintage clothing stores in harajuku...
mostly the vintage clothing is from the west!...
looked very american to me...though some is surely from europe...
lots of levis and plaid flannel shirts right now...lol...
wearing a plaid flannel bathrobe as a jacket seems to be a trend...
very 'grunge/nirvana'......
and so many boys and girls are wearing little knit caps, like a lumberjack...
...

but my favourite rack of clothing was a bunch of vintage dresses from the 1960's/70's... all very western...
lots of nice prints and colours...
i could imagine some lovely young japanese ladies wearing them during that period...
i would have liked to have found one that i could wear...

there was one men's vintage shop i went into that just specialized in american vintage things...
it was really nice...

i also found a shop on cat street that does secondhand designer stuff...
though i don't remember the name now...
i know i read about it somewhere in this thread though because i recognised the name and that is why i went in- though i could not remember what was said about it here...
turned out to be a jackpot of comme des garcons pieces from previous collections along with a bunch of other designer stuff...
i didn't get anything there, but it was a really cool and fun shopping experience...
one guy who worked there was wearing a skirt, which i liked...

one thing that no one has talked about with regards to shopping is what people say in the shops when you enter..

what are they saying? and what are you supposed to say back?
i know they are greeting you and that sort of thing, which i am familiar with...
but many say "sumimasen"...why is this?
doesn't that mean sorry or excuse me?
what are they apologizing for? i don't get that...
......

i noticed that a lot of locals just don't respond......
what would be the considered an appropriate response, kudasai?

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one thing that no one has talked about with regards to shopping is what people say in the shops when you enter..

what are they saying? and what are you supposed to say back?
i know they are greeting you and that sort of thing, which i am familiar with...
but many say "sumimasen"...why is this?
doesn't that mean sorry or excuse me?
what are they apologizing for? i don't get that...
......

i noticed that a lot of locals just don't respond......
what would be the considered an appropriate response, kudasai?
when you enter, a shop would normally say irasshaimase.
but even an abnormal shop would not say sumimasen. if they say sumimasen on your entrance, that should be because they are not prepared yet or it is outside of their business hours.
basically irasshaimase is now an automatic phrase used specifically by the shops, restaurants, etc. there is no particular conventional response to irassahimase. it is an expression of welcome. but in actuality if you say to them thanks for welcoming me, that should sound a bit too much or even stupid. so if you think you need to say something after irasshaimase, konnichiwa with a smile would be nice.
formally you as a guest/customer would say gomenkudasai, and in response to that, they say irasshaimase.
so it's okay even though nothing follows irasshaimase.
today the relation is not exactly like you are a guest and they are a host. it's more casual and random in most cases. gomenkudasai at the entrance of uniqlo would definitely be too stiff when they are ready anytime and anyone can enter at any timing as long as it's business hours.

sumimasen used in the shops can mostly be heard from you instead of them when you need some help.
but that sumimasen doesn't mean apology especially, while as you know sumimasen can also be what you would say when you apologize. the sumimasen in question is more of "thanks in advance" really.
many japanese words, phrases, or expressions are about double meaning.
for instance, although appare is a word for brilliant, appare means what sad means at the same time, at heart.
you might recognize this in yohji's work. when he does something obviously brilliant, something you can call appare, he is expressing certain kind of sadness. if he does something blatantly humorous, that's because he is meaning to be serious or even angry.

when the place is more private like a little boutique where your sales assistant is also the shop owner, they might say konnichiwa. that can happen too when they know you well. then, your response would be konnichiwa as well. or anything will do. for example, if you are from NY, hi, hello, whatever. of course it is possible and great for you to say hi before their greeting.

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ok- so maybe my japanese is not so good after all...
mostly i could not understand what they were saying...
but in one shop there was this one girl who definitely was saying sumimasen...
and i am sure because she said it repeatedly...
so i guess i thought that is what they were all saying...

and, yes- mostly i just smiled or said hi or hello...
and when i left i always said arigato goazaimasu- whether i purchased something or not...

i think my favourite thing was the expression on their faces when i would come out of the dressing room or something and shake my head and say "chisai"...
that always surprised people and made them giggle...
i guess they did not expect a gaijin to know that word-
plus- it's just such a cute word...
...

but that is a word i know well...


you know what i can't believe...
i never went to isetan!!!
...

and i don't even care...

i am sad to have missed lift though......
that will have to be for next time...

wore my new YY hat today...
rock n roll baby...rock n roll...

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when i was buying those vintage kimono, the woman was explaining things in english...
and i said "wakatta"...
and then she started speaking completely in nihongo!
...

i think she thought i meant that i spoke japanese!
yipes!
so then i said- wakaranai...
and she went back to english...
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that was pretty funny!

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when i was buying those vintage kimono, the woman was explaining things in english...
and i said "wakatta"...
and then she started speaking completely in nihongo!
...

i think she thought i meant that i spoke japanese!
yipes!
so then i said- wakaranai...
and she went back to english...
...

that was pretty funny!
Hahaha, this is hilarious!
I have recovered well, soft, happy to see that you seem to have thoroughly enjoyed Japan. Whilst Tokyo is a nice city to be in, and probably Japanese enough, I strongly recommend Kyoto or even Nara, sometimes I feel that is what real Japan is about...

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saw travel-themed photo series in the evening edition of the asahi today.
it's lovely and found the web version.
here are some of them


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very nice...
thanks runner---will check out the rest online...

here is a sample of some snacks found at the minimart...
i think this was at family mart...
dried squid on a stick!
i have had dried squid or cuttlefish before...
there is one kind that is especially found in most asian groceries here...
but it is the first time i have seen it this way...
fascinating!
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FYI-
regarding small lifestyle items that japan does better than most places...
i got these while i was over there and i have to say that i really recommend them...
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/s...1/item/371222/

i got some here in nyc that peeled off my shoes the first time i wore them...

but these are really good...
i got three packs and i wish i had gotten more...

i also found that they do them for men and those would probably be great for a pair of boots- so look for those as well...


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