Copy Galliano....i feel guilty

[Deleted member 7575]

My suggestion would be to throughly research primary sources opposed to secondary ones like Galliano's dresses. Try looking at flamenco dresses directly and get your own take. Your idea is interesting and makes way for a lot of visual research. Areas in the the Caribean have a fantastic and vibrant textile tradtion from beading to weaving to dyeing. I would look into traditional Hatian and voudou garments. A lot of the black slaves who were taken to that area brought a lot of their textile culture with them and it mixed with european garments to produce a rather unique way of dressing which is still in place today in those areas. That's actually much of how Voudou itself began, a mix of African Animistc religion with Catholicism. There is really so much information tied in with voudou and clothes you should have lots to work with.


some things go consider:
- Dance, going back to Galliano's collection, dance is a large part of african religions and voudou.
-Ritual, many of the images, symbols, and artifacts associated with voudou are not arbitrary and have signficant meaning. Perhaps depending on how you use these elements you could tell your own story.
-Cultural Intertexuality, this is something Galliano plays with a lot but is not always succesful. Since voodoo itself draws on intertextual elements in different relgions it would be fun to see how you could recognize and work from similar visual elements in fabric, tradtion, and presentation.
-Antonio Maras, he is the designer for Kenzo and is the master at working with rich and vibrant textile traditions. Check out is S/S 05 collection for Kenzo.

I would also keep in mind that Galliano has done a voudou inspired collection (S/S05 Homme). Be careful so you don't succumb to the gimmicky feel Galliano sometimes has. Try to make your clothes have a true meaning opposed to being just a costume.

here is a link that maybe helpful regarding voudou...
http://www.geocities.com/athens/delphi/5319/ayibobo.htm




that's my two cents, take it however you please.

 

[whizkit]

To me, the difference between copying and borrowing is whether the idea taken is being synthesized into something different, something distinctly different from its origins but not necessarily totally different.

And I agree with Mutterlein, it's always best to start with primary resources and not something that has already been digested by someone else, sort of like deriving something from first principles.

 

[Ghost]

if i show u the result , u all will be very disappointed it's not a perfect nicely cut dresss as you think. i only know how to sew wtih needle and threead. so with the help of this only humble skill of mine, i have to make a dress by wrapping fabric around the body, tieing with ropes to have a body shape.
but the whold class is looking forward me because i won literary evening's " Coutume design" whole school first award last year.

 

[Ghost]

but then thank you all. i learnt that i should sit in the library and doing many researches.

 

[Deleted member 7575]

if i show u the result , u all will be very disappointed it's not a perfect nicely cut dresss as you think. i only know how to sew wtih needle and threead. so with the help of this only humble skill of mine, i have to make a dress by wrapping fabric around the body, tieing with ropes to have a body shape.
but the whold class is looking forward me because i won literary evening's " Coutume design" whole school first award last year.

Well that is just a matter of technique. We all look forward to seeing your results. To know that you had a well thought concept is impressive enough and is definitely applaudable.

 

[TheGloryOfThe80s]

ghost, are those your own illustrations? i love them! those little skeletons are really cute (i'm not sure you intend them to be cute, but i think they are).

i can't wait to see! you simply must show us (post in the fashion lookbook thread).

No, that is a Tim Burton illustration and poem. I think Ghost's ideas seems pretty original to me. I mean just borrowing that little aspect from a Galliano design, that is quite classic flamenco, isn't copying at all.

 

[kit]

There's very much of a difference between outright ' plagiarism ' - taking someone else's idea and passing it off as your own - witness the Kaisik Wong / Nicholas Guesquiere controversy of a few seasons ago . Have a browse of this essential reading , if you're a fashion student :-

http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20847&highlight=kaisik+wong

... and then kimora lee simmons' design team for baby phat, spring 2005 .... ripping off nicolas's ripoff of kaisik

Credits to brian

http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7812&highlight=kaisik+wong

 

[kit]

Quotation from metal-on-metal

If Balenciaga launched a fragrance line, so many people would leave it in droves.

The problem with a cult, "insider" label is that the supposed insiders who support it will retreat at the drop of a hat once the label goes global. There is no loyalty. They buy it to look cool and in-the-know and then move on once Anna Wintour and Gucci Group have caught on. This was the case with Balenciaga from 1998-2001. Then in 2002 came the infamous Kaisik Wong disaster. In 2003, Nicolas showed two mediocre collections and that, combined with the boycotts and fit issues, has left Balenciaga items drabbly dangling at 65% off at the end of the season.

I have to admit, I still love it. I love trawling eBay for rare pieces from his earlier collections for the house. And I love keeping up with the backstabbing bitchiness that goes on with Balenciaga in the NY and Paris scenes. But for me, too, some of that original magic is gone. Today I saw some of those fall 2004 chain dresses in person and they were really rather pathetic. The metallic paint was wearing off in the creases and they were so incredibly heavy that I can't see anyone actually wearing them.

Balenciaga was such a driving force in fashion and it's rather sad to see it lose its footing like this




Angelica

Quote:
Originally posted by Lena
Today, it is considered 'legitimate' to pay a fortune for lux copies (see Nicolas G. huge flop for Balenciaga, where he copied -to a T- those famous 'patchwork' looks from a dead and long forgoten LA designer... how sad and poor creative wise, it was the begining of the end for Nicolas )

Actually, Kaisik Wong, the designer Ghesquiere "borrowed" from, was a San Francisco-based designer.

A few articles about Kaisik Wong > 1, 2

A Kaisik Wong patchwork vest, above.


Lena

yes, thats the guy Nicolas G. stole the look from, i mean its not even 'insprired' by, Balenciaga actually riped of the design.. ironically enough, that was the beging of the end for Nicola's hype-ness..

Kaisik Wong=really talented and so very original

thanks for the link and input angelica and excuses for forgetting Wong's name




Angelica

originally posted by Lena
yes, thats the guy Nicolas G. stole the look from, i mean its not even 'insprired' by, Balenciaga actually riped of the design.. ironically enough, that was the beging of the end for Nicola's hype-ness..

Kaisik Wong=really talented and so very original

thanks for the link and input angelica and excuses for forgetting Wong's name

Yup, "inspired by" is putting it mildly, I suppose. His hand was caught in the cookie jar and Ghesquiere had to admit to it because it was blatant, no?

I can never remember how to spell Wong's first name myself and had to look it up.

I agree, Wong was very talented. He never enjoyed commercial success even if some department stores picked up his line occassionally. By all accounts, his heart was never into creating commercial items and had the soul of an artist. He was much more interested in creating one of a kind pieces for a small clientele.

ignitioned32

Profile: Location: Manila
Gender: homme
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In defense of Nicolas G. (It sounds like his a rapper now? ) , he never said that what he did for S/S '02 was his own and original. He said he was influenced by the work of a late Dutch designer Koos van der Ackker. I think even before Kaisik Wong did those Koos did it first. So there's no saying Ghesquiere copied.


BUT , if you are influenced by somethig very contemporary in the current ' zeitgeist ' , or by something vintage , ethnic or vernacular , that means that your ideas are part of a movement in design and totally legitimate in that circumstance . The idea is your own . Witness Yves Saint Laurent's Russian/Middle Europe collections in the 70s , both couture and RTW and you have design of impeccable genius that is applauded as entirely his own .

 

[Yimi]

I need a fun coat...

I never had a Galliano piece in my hand!!
Except my favourite Dior Scarf!
So sometimes I copy some Galliano Designs... .

Now I need copy the Galliano Gazette,
but there are some Newspaper parts that I cant get!!!
Can Anyone help me?

 

[popstar]

that poem and illustration is by Tim Burton by the way.

good luck ghost!

 

[Ceptuouse]

I never had a Galliano piece in my hand!!
Except my favourite Dior Scarf!
So sometimes I copy some Galliano Designs... .

Now I need copy the Galliano Gazette,
but there are some Newspaper parts that I cant get!!!
Can Anyone help me?

How do you mean

 

[artxstatic]

everybody executes ideas differently so even if you take the idea from galliano i'm sure the final result will look completely different or better than its reference.

 

[MarleneX]

Quotation from metal-on-metal

If Balenciaga launched a fragrance line, so many people would leave it in droves.

The problem with a cult, "insider" label is that the supposed insiders who support it will retreat at the drop of a hat once the label goes global. There is no loyalty. They buy it to look cool and in-the-know and then move on once Anna Wintour and Gucci Group have caught on. This was the case with Balenciaga from 1998-2001. Then in 2002 came the infamous Kaisik Wong disaster. In 2003, Nicolas showed two mediocre collections and that, combined with the boycotts and fit issues, has left Balenciaga items drabbly dangling at 65% off at the end of the season.

I have to admit, I still love it. I love trawling eBay for rare pieces from his earlier collections for the house. And I love keeping up with the backstabbing bitchiness that goes on with Balenciaga in the NY and Paris scenes. But for me, too, some of that original magic is gone. Today I saw some of those fall 2004 chain dresses in person and they were really rather pathetic. The metallic paint was wearing off in the creases and they were so incredibly heavy that I can't see anyone actually wearing them.

Balenciaga was such a driving force in fashion and it's rather sad to see it lose its footing like this




Angelica

Quote:
Originally posted by Lena
Today, it is considered 'legitimate' to pay a fortune for lux copies (see Nicolas G. huge flop for Balenciaga, where he copied -to a T- those famous 'patchwork' looks from a dead and long forgoten LA designer... how sad and poor creative wise, it was the begining of the end for Nicolas )

Actually, Kaisik Wong, the designer Ghesquiere "borrowed" from, was a San Francisco-based designer.

A few articles about Kaisik Wong > 1, 2

A Kaisik Wong patchwork vest, above.


Lena

yes, thats the guy Nicolas G. stole the look from, i mean its not even 'insprired' by, Balenciaga actually riped of the design.. ironically enough, that was the beging of the end for Nicola's hype-ness..

Kaisik Wong=really talented and so very original

thanks for the link and input angelica and excuses for forgetting Wong's name




Angelica

originally posted by Lena
yes, thats the guy Nicolas G. stole the look from, i mean its not even 'insprired' by, Balenciaga actually riped of the design.. ironically enough, that was the beging of the end for Nicola's hype-ness..

Kaisik Wong=really talented and so very original

thanks for the link and input angelica and excuses for forgetting Wong's name

Yup, "inspired by" is putting it mildly, I suppose. His hand was caught in the cookie jar and Ghesquiere had to admit to it because it was blatant, no?

I can never remember how to spell Wong's first name myself and had to look it up.

I agree, Wong was very talented. He never enjoyed commercial success even if some department stores picked up his line occassionally. By all accounts, his heart was never into creating commercial items and had the soul of an artist. He was much more interested in creating one of a kind pieces for a small clientele.

ignitioned32

Profile: Location: Manila
Gender: homme
Posts: 4,743

In defense of Nicolas G. (It sounds like his a rapper now? ) , he never said that what he did for S/S '02 was his own and original. He said he was influenced by the work of a late Dutch designer Koos van der Ackker. I think even before Kaisik Wong did those Koos did it first. So there's no saying Ghesquiere copied.


BUT , if you are influenced by somethig very contemporary in the current ' zeitgeist ' , or by something vintage , ethnic or vernacular , that means that your ideas are part of a movement in design and totally legitimate in that circumstance . The idea is your own . Witness Yves Saint Laurent's Russian/Middle Europe collections in the 70s , both couture and RTW and you have design of impeccable genius that is applauded as entirely his own .

Koos is not "late". he is alive and well and working in NYC.
sometimes it is seriously painful to read posts on this site...

 

[Inaya]

^ this thread you've bumped is four years old.