Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[Phuel]

(I like Tyler’s version better LOL Much much much more striking and charming than Bruno's.)

In this industry, everyone’s guilty of stealing from someone. Sometimes some talents do it better than the OG versions… These days, not so much. Tyler was in the right place at the right time where PC gimmicks/tokenism/identity politics trumps genuine talent and original creativity. I’m not mad at him for snatching those opportunities (by association with Beyonce He’s simply a product of these shallow hyped days.

I always got the impression Tyler's entire repository of “creative” concepts came from watching Eryka’s video “On and On” by Paul Hunter and Janet’s “Got ’Til It’s Gone” by Mark Romanek. Whereas the social and political references by those creatives were never the selling point-- these days, someone like Tyler has to make the social politics the selling point for the lack of creativity.

 

[Deleted member 143689]

(I like Tyler’s version better LOL Much much much more striking and charming than Bruno's.)

In this industry, everyone’s guilty of stealing from someone. Sometimes some talents do it better than the OG versions… These days, not so much. Tyler was in the right place at the right time where PC gimmicks/tokenism/identity politics trumps genuine talent and original creativity. I’m not mad at him for snatching those opportunities (by association with Beyonce He’s simply a product of these shallow hyped days.

I always got the impression Tyler's entire repository of “creative” concepts came from watching Eryka’s video “On and On” by Paul Hunter and Janet’s “Got ’Til It’s Gone” by Mark Romanek. Whereas the social and political references by those creatives were never the selling point-- these days, someone like Tyler has to make the social politics the selling point for the lack of creativity.

I’m just wondering when relying on identity/social gimmicks will run out for him and the others that all work with the same Instagram filter click bait feel. They aren’t even deep or at times accurate with the identity/social politics they rely so heavy on. Not to mention they’re knowledge of photography (lighting, retouching, conceptualizing, the works) is so baseline it’s insulting to the art form itself.

 

[Phuel]

^^^ Lola and I were having this conversation on another thread, and it’s very much an entire system of mediocrity (that’s fulled by the need to maximize profit by appealing to the widest— and lowest common denominators in these days of globalized fashion Lazy and tepid editors and CDs/ADs hyping lesser designers, whom in turn work with mediocre photographers, whom in turn never bother to make the effort to push models to do more than just stand there blankly (because apparently "diversity" is enough these days for a fashion show/editorial). And everybody is afraid to offend SJWs on SM for fear of being cancelled, so everything is so safe and generic and instantly accessible with their branding. There’s never been a more shallow and vapid time in this industry than now-- despite ll the in-your-face white knighting. How can this new generation of fashion audience feel insulted by such mediocre offerings when this is all that’s around them and it’s all they’re aware of…???

Have a gander at the vintage magazine threads— in particular Franca’s VI, and the astounding level of creativity, intelligence and fearlessness in daring to provoke and challenge social norms through HF is so very potent in those imageries 20-30 years alter: My heart leaps a beat whenever someone post new imagery from that golden era of HF.

 

[Xone]

An "influencer" from México posted a rant -via instastories- about racism in marketing and publicity in the country. Then, he posted a message that was sent by an ex employee of Vogue Mexico (now deleted).

He/She said that Karla Martínez de Salas apparently is "very special" about choosing the models/people for the magazine and the website. She wants diversity but not too much, not too "black", "fat" or even "indigenous". The message said that she uses the phrase "she looks very 'naquita' -a racial slur used in Mexico instead of ghetto or something like that-" when she doesn't like a model.

Ps. I have the screenshots, I promise post them later.

Hi Jorge Palomo...did you post the screenshots? i cannot find them....would like to read this...Thanks!

 

[JPineapple]

Hi Jorge Palomo...did you post the screenshots? i cannot find them....would like to read this...Thanks!

source: my own screenshots

 

[Xone]

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source: my own screenshots

Thank you! that's bad from Vogue but about the "Naquita" comments i think he is referring to the editor of Glamour not Vogue'es.

 

[Deleted member 143689]

Like if you have to justify your pics by calling out your copying then you shouldn’t be working. His work is now a copy of Hugo which is a copy of Meisel. Can Instagram just disappear so that these unnecessary “photographers” stop getting work because they are semi attractive and have a bunch of followers. It’s just a joke at this point kinda like his work and Dust Magazine.

 

[dodencebt]

Does anyone know whether Jean Paul Gaultier had a falling out with Madonna, Naomi Campbell, Kate Moss? I was so sad not to see any of them at his last show, especially Madonna. It felt very disrespectful, to be honest.

 

[Benn98]

Could be hogwash, could be legit. Make of it what you will.

Naomi Campbell and Vogue editor Edward Enninful 'fall out following a series of bust-ups' after being friends for 30 years

• Naomi Campbell, 49, and Vogue editor Edward Enninful, 47, 'have fallen out'
• It is even said that Ms Campbell’s work at the publication has ground to a halt
• She is said to have been ‘irked’ Enninful is close friends with her ex Liam Payne

By KATIE HIND SHOWBUSINESS EDITOR FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

PUBLISHED: 22:23 GMT, 25 January 2020 | UPDATED: 13:43 GMT, 28 January 2020

He is used to working with the most high-maintenance divas among the notoriously difficult personalities of the fashion world.

But even the patience of Vogue editor Edward Enninful may have been pushed to breaking point by Naomi Campbell. The supermodel was unveiled as a contributing editor to the fashion bible two years ago. Yet, although they have been friends for 30 years, it seems Ms Campbell, 49, and Mr Enninful, 47, have fallen out, according to sources.

It is even said Ms Campbell’s work for the publication has ground to a halt – raising questions over her future at the magazine. An insider claims the problems began last month when Ms Campbell won the Fashion Icon award at the British Fashion Awards.
She is said to have complained Mr Enninful didn’t congratulate her as effusively as she would have wanted. The model is also said to have been ‘irked’ he has become close friends with her ex-boyfriend, former One Direction singer Liam Payne, 26.

One source said: ‘Edward has the patience of a saint. As a former fashion stylist, he has worked with high-maintenance models for a very long time. He has also been very tolerant of Naomi but recently he has been telling people this is it. ‘It seems he has had it with her and he hasn’t exactly been making a secret about it.’

Another Vogue insider said Mr Enninful had struggled to accommodate the model’s expectations within Vogue’s budget.

A spokesman for British Vogue denied there was any fallout and said Ms Campbell will appear in the March issue, out this week. However, long lead times mean that the magazine was put together before the row erupted.

Ms Campbell declined to comment last night.

Daily Mail

 

[eugenius]

Does anyone know whether Jean Paul Gaultier had a falling out with Madonna, Naomi Campbell, Kate Moss? I was so sad not to see any of them at his last show, especially Madonna. It felt very disrespectful, to be honest.

Madonna is on tour, and, apparently, recovering from an injury, and I haven't seen Madonna make an appearance at the shows in years. Maybe she decided to retire from that whole scene altogether, which I assume JPG would understand. I doubt they had a falling out. If Madonna calls, I'll be sure to ask her. (Of note: the belts used on Dita Von Teese's pale pink corset look like the belt used for Madonna's opening number for her Blond Ambition tour. Maybe that's JPGs way of having Madonna at the show, without her actually being there.)

And as far as Naomi + Kate go, yeah, they did his shows in the past, but I don't consider them being "Gaultier girls", per se. I can't think of all the models he cast off the top of my head, but I did see Erin O'Connor, Chrystele St. Louis Augustin, and Julia Schonberg (sp?) make an appearance at his last couture show, and those are the models I'd immediately associate with Gaultier. They strike me as women who continuously inspired him throughout the years, whereas Kate & Naomi were just pretty models who looked good in his clothes.

 

[Melancholybaby]

No talent, but a huge ego and good connections. He'll be designing for a luxury giant in no time.

Following up from my first ever introduction to Kerby Jean-Raymond from that BOF debacle a few months ago, I binged Next in Fashion on Netflix this weekend and wow...I was surprised this guy was able to pass the studio door, his ego must be at least 7' tall. He barely has any discernible design talent himself, not sure how production thought he would be able to provide any constructive feedback to other designers?

Who is Kerby Jean-Raymond? Next in Fashion judge stormed off Netflix show saying “I can’t do this”

 

[Benn98]

Following up from my first ever introduction to Kerby Jean-Raymond from that BOF debacle a few months ago, I binged Next in Fashion on Netflix this weekend and wow...I was surprised this guy was able to pass the studio door, his ego must be at least 7' tall. He barely has any discernible design talent himself, not sure how production thought he would be able to provide any constructive feedback to other designers?

Who is Kerby Jean-Raymond? Next in Fashion judge stormed off Netflix show saying “I can’t do this”

Funny you should bring this up again because just last week I listened to his interview on Hypebeast Radio (I know, judge as much as you like! ), and let me just put it this way, Kerby made me feel as if PR agents are a necessary evil. In fact, he made me WISH he had a PR agent who could spin all sorts of lies instead of his actual story. That's how exasperating and annoyingly cocky he sounded. Which is sort of ironic when you think about it because his story could be considered as inspirational. But the way he delivers it is so off-puttingly bombastic. For instance, as with most new designers, he had a slew of people who backed him from a very young age right until Pyer Moss. But instead of just focusing on that story he adds in these 'XYZ saw how much talent I had, and I was already doing this at that age, and so they went out on a limb to...', who talks like that? I thought, blimey mate, how about you give the interviewer or that backer an opportunity to praise your 'talent' instead of doing it yourself. LOL. It's just so crass.

 

[Melancholybaby]

Funny you should bring this up again because just last week I listened to his interview on Hypebeast Radio (I know, judge as much as you like! ), and let me just put it this way, Kerby made me feel as if PR agents are a necessary evil. In fact, he made me WISH he had a PR agent who could spin all sorts of lies instead of his actual story. That's how exasperating and annoyingly cocky he sounded. Which is sort of ironic when you think about it because his story could be considered as inspirational. But the way he delivers it is so off-puttingly bombastic. For instance, as with most new designers, he had a slew of people who backed him from a very young age right until Pyer Moss. But instead of just focusing on that story he adds in these 'XYZ saw how much talent I had, and I was already doing this at that age, and so they went out on a limb to...', who talks like that? I thought, blimey mate, how about you give the interviewer or that backer an opportunity to praise your 'talent' instead of doing it yourself. LOL. It's just so crass.

A Kerby Jean-Raymond interview? On Hypebeast Radio? Yeah sorry, @Benn98. You kind of brought this onto yourself.

Edit: Just googled it...88 minutes?! You'd have to tie me down and gag me in order to listen to 1,5 hour of this guy blowing his own horn.

 

[Benn98]

A Kerby Jean-Raymond interview? On Hypebeast Radio? Yeah sorry, @Benn98. You kind of brought this onto yourself.

Edit: Just googled it...88 minutes?! You'd have to tie me down and gag me in order to listen to 1,5 hour of this guy blowing his own horn.

Well it was playing in the background while I was busy cooking, lol, but yes. My taste in podcasts is admittedly cheap but I have to listen to Hypebeast Radio because of my line of work.

 

[Lola701]

It’s weird, I don’t dislike KJR. I actually find him kinda cute and I’ve seen him around PFW and even noticed his work quite early when he started to design clothes for Usher...
But I think he is someone very confident who feels (and he is right in a way) that the fashion industry needs him more than he needs it. With the focus on diversity, the rise of streetwear and the voice of the Hip-Hop community, he is in a position of Power and kinda look people with a « I’m better than you mentality ».

As a BW woman who has worked in the industry, I totally understand the struggle of someone like him who wanted to make it in this industry. And while I think he is quite talented (he is probably the most talented designer coming from that school of Streetwear), I have a problem with people, so him, who as designers present themselves as Artists! It’s pretentious!

And it’s even more pretentious considering that the greatest masters of fashion never considered themselves as artists...Being involved in different fields doesn’t make you an Artist. And you only become an artist to someone else’s eye...

I feel like he is more into the lifestyle aspect of fashion than the real love for the craft and the job. Fashion offers opportunities, doors to another world. He attended a lot of shows at PFW and even if he was there for business, there’s a social aspect and a glamour surrounding PFW that served his brand.

Fashion now is so much about personalities and not about the actual designs. I’ve heard his ambition is to follow Virgil’s footsteps but I think that at one point narratives will have to be less important than actually caring for the craft. That’s why I will always support Olivier Rousteing (even when he does very ugly clothes) because with him, the conversation is mainly about his work even if his tough story is a big part of his persona!

 

[Benn98]

I have a problem with people, so him, who as designers present themselves as Artists! It’s pretentious!

Ahem, Heron Preston, the Zac Posen of streetwear. Although don't you dare mention this in Carine's presence because she will likely scratch your eyes out.

Honestly, if I would have read Kerby's story penned by someone else I may actually have warmed to him as a personality because like I said at the core, it's actually rather inspirational. And that's probably why I endured 1.5hrs of 'me, me, me!', lol. I'd probably still be of the opinion that he's not that great of a designer, but at least I'd respect him. As it is I find it hard to respect anyone who spits out soundbites such as 'Me and Anna (Wintour), we fack with each other'. Settle down, you may think it's cute or ballsy or whatever, but you're not at that level of acclaim to name associate yourself like that.

 

[fashionista-ta]

People who talk like that are usually really insecure ...

 

[Marc10]

 

[dodencebt]

Marc commented that it is a mistake and gave public credit to Karole on the official Instagram page several times. Whoever put together the press notes is getting fired.

 

[dsamg]

Unprofessional post by Karole IMO, mistakes do happen and even though these days everyone manages to make it about race or gender etc, it was most likely a genuine error. Karole could have addressed it with a much less passive aggressive caption. Really amazes me sometimes how immature many in the fashion industry are - wouldn't last a day in any other job.