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Discussion: The State of Kering

Bottega Veneta, the only brand from the roster performing decently, has a perfume selection comprised of EIGHT niche fragrances.
the biggest mystery to me. campaigns are getting more boring . and the fixation on jacob elordi is inexplainablee to me . the prices are absolute craziness, and the doesnt fit like a glove . so to me their good performance is really a mystery lol
 
the biggest mystery to me. campaigns are getting more boring . and the fixation on jacob elordi is inexplainablee to me . the prices are absolute craziness, and the doesnt fit like a glove . so to me their good performance is really a mystery lol
It's because they slotted perfectly into that "quiet luxury" ideal that has been so prevelant throughout the last 3 years. Funny enough, BV's growth has been marginal (+1-2%) and they finally hit a -1% for Q3. If BV joins the rest of Kering's downward spiral, that might be a good thing.
 
It's because they slotted perfectly into that "quiet luxury" ideal that has been so prevelant throughout the last 3 years. Funny enough, BV's growth has been marginal (+1-2%) and they finally hit a -1% for Q3. If BV joins the rest of Kering's downward spiral, that might be a good thing.
It's the version of "quiet luxury" which claims to be quiet because of the no-logo policy but which is still an immediately recognizable status symbol (and imho very loud).
Part of the success of BV is that they offer that plausible deniability and faux humbleness to those looking for attention and a status symbol.

Also I do believe that marginal gross was just innovative ways to assess inventories and account returns, but I am not the Hinderburg Research group.
 
i feel that yes BV are having their quiet luxury momentum even more than during Blazys tenure but it feels very...syntetic and unreal. i associate this kind of positioning with the row and hermes and brunello cucinelli but not current bv. i will write this again but their price hikes dont match the product. campaigns feel very forced and manufactured to tick boxes. pseudo intellectuality customers cant relate to. i dont know how their ecommerce is performing but in the past year i have never seen anyone in a flagship BV in a big city in Europe
 
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Kering Going Goth and Dark


The party is over, the music has been switched off, now only the brave and the smartest ones will survive, and most of them already left the ship, covered by severance packages never seen before and have already joined other (competitors) brands and they are dancing on the tables. So, yes, almost all the best ones have left. Kering is losing loyal investors and its best professionals. Such a great confirmation of leadership for the top bosses. And no official recovery plan in sight yet.

What we see around are stores in the luxury streets of the world with such a poverty of products and display:
from the Guesquière bag at Balenciaga in display at Bongenie in Genève to the black matelassé YSL logo bags at the Rue du Rhone voutique to the BV intrecciato everywhere even in vintage bags corners to lots of unbearable stock and tons of Gucci canvas logo in the outlets, the reboot of the group in desperate need for cash flow and revenues seems to be very far away.

We see as well lots of celebrations from Shanghai to Hollywood. Self-developed internal euphoria for no reason.
 
susannanicoletti

Kering Going Goth and Dark

The party is over, the music has been switched off, now only the brave and the smartest ones will survive, and most of them already left the ship, covered by severance packages never seen before and have already joined other (competitors) brands and they are dancing on the tables. So, yes, almost all the best ones have left. Kering is losing loyal investors and its best professionals. Such a great confirmation of leadership for the top bosses. And no official recovery plan in sight yet.

What we see around are stores in the luxury streets of the world with such a poverty of products and display:
from the Guesquière bag at Balenciaga in display at Bongenie in Genève to the black matelassé YSL logo bags at the Rue du Rhone voutique to the BV intrecciato everywhere even in vintage bags corners to lots of unbearable stock and tons of Gucci canvas logo in the outlets, the reboot of the group in desperate need for cash flow and revenues seems to be very far away.

We see as well lots of celebrations from Shanghai to Hollywood. Self-developed internal euphoria for no reason.
so true but quite sad actually. these stores are empty, and even the outlets that are selling the stock at extortionate prices are all empty!
 
It's the version of "quiet luxury" which claims to be quiet because of the no-logo policy but which is still an immediately recognizable status symbol (and imho very loud).
Part of the success of BV is that they offer that plausible deniability and faux humbleness to those looking for attention and a status symbol.
100% this
Everyone is craving status symbol when making such purchases.
When you have very recognizeable logo, it's easy to be called out carrying fake or being labelled as tacky.
I think people who avoid buying LV (even the "elevated" P9) do that cause they know most of the people looking at them, even if I they are carrying a seasonal item or very specific design, would think "that must be a fake because of the monogram". Funnily enough, I don't think common people, who associate LV with only the Speedy and are not aware of other iconic lines like Petite Malle or Capucines, know that Pharrel made Speedys in colored leather, hence "colored leather monogram = super FAKE, that doesn't even exist in LV lineup!".
With CHANEL it's more or less the same, a timeless classic gives "status symbol" in a very in your face / tacky way. Everyone knows and recognize the double CC clasp and that design is associated with a certain image of a woman and suspicious wealth income. Again, people avoiding CHANEL do not want to be called out like "she's so tacky, she's carrying the 10k caviar leather bag coming straight from a Dynasty episode".
With YSL it's more or less the same cause Cassandre bags are basically CHANELs for people who can't afford the 10k double CC price tag. I'm sorry, but in 2026, nothing gives more slavic escort making errands in Dubai while scamming finance guys on Onlyfans than a YSL tassel clutch or a mini classic flap (or the CC mini Kelly cause they haven't found their sugar daddy yet).

With BV, the story is different, of course you want to be noticed by people with your 6k Andiamo bag, however only people within the circle would recognize the brand. You want to be noticed by the "in" people, the elevated wealthy ones, not the peasants who only know LV monogram and YSL Cassandre. The peasants would anyway appreciate the craftmanship behind the bag (you don't see intrecciato often) and, let's be honest, it's quite a charming leather manipulation, so I get why people going for BV think the purchase is a win win situation. You know that, with such purchases, you are alienating and avoiding the "low class" people carrying Guess or MK by Michael Kors lol.

BV intrecciato is indeed very far from quiet luxury...but only for people within the circle.
 

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