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<span style='color:red'>Found this article on About.com. Interesting for those who buy fakes, without knowing the ethics behind the design. What is your opinion on the article, and do you agree that
1. people shouldn't buy fakes?
2. Save up and buy the real thing(which i feel people should)
3. depends on the individual/circumstance, etc?
:flower:

I see each expensive accessories(bags/shoes/jewellery) that i buy as an investment. e.g I also think its cheaper to buy an expensive bag, than loads of cheaper ones.</span>
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Counterfeit fashion

Maybe you can't afford the real thing.

Or perhaps you think you deserve a bargain.

So you head off to an online auction or a street corner to buy a fake handbag.

After all, the fakes (also called copies, knockoffs, replicas and counterfeit goods) now are so good that even pros have trouble telling the difference.

You get the bag/shades/shirt/watch that you wanted and saved hundreds of dollars.

What's the harm?


Why buying counterfeits are a bad idea

According to the International AntiCounterfeiting Coalition (IACC) about 18% of the $98 million of counterfeit products seized by U.S. Customs in '02 were made up of fashion-related items: apparel, sunglasses, watches, handbags and headwear.

While it's not a crime to buy counterfeit merchandise (only to sell it), there are legitimate reasons why you should rethink your buying tactics according to the IACC:

1. Counterfeiting robs the U.S. alone of more than $200 billion a year. It's a cash, tax-free business; legitimate citizens like yourself will still get stuck paying taxes, while counterfeiters line their pockets at your expense.

2. Terrorists, gangs and organized crime syndicates all profit from selling counterfeit merchandise. Sometimes designer handbag knockoffs are lined with drugs and used for smuggling things like heroin, too. There is also evidence that the bombing of the World Trade Center in '93 was funded by the sale of counterfeit apparel.

3. You might realize that things like knockoff toys or electronics are an unsafe idea, but did you know that even items such as fake sunglasses can hurt you. According to IACC counterfeit sunglasses can shatter easily; they may fail to provide UV protection as advertised.


How to spot a fake

Knockoff designer goods are readily available on the street in such areas such as Los Angeles' Santee Street and New York's Canal Street.

And the internet is full of online auctions and cybersellers offering "Inspired by" copies and outright fakes.

The old method of spotting fakes was simple: flimsy hardware, cheap leather and misspelled logos were a giveaway.

Now, fakes are so good (and expensive) that you simply can't tell the difference.

So how do you know what's real and what's not?

Some clues:

The price. A new Louis Vuitton handbag for $100 is not authentic. The real thing often sells for $500 to well over $1000. Same thing for Prada and Gucci.
Where it's being sold. Authorized dealers for Chanel, LV, etc. do not sell handbags out of the trunk of a car. Nor do they sell them at online auctions or at home parties.
Point of origin tag. Designer apparel or leather goods with a "Made in Taiwan" tag are not authentic.

Buying online


Buying online

So what if you are shopping online and come across a great deal on designer apparel or accessories? How do you know you're getting the real thing?

Read the fine print.

Some etailers or items for sale in an auction will lure you in with words that you're likely to search for like Chanel or Gucci. Many sites also use overkill -- "authentic," "genuine" and other enticing adjectives -- to describe their fashion items.

It's only by reading carefully through the descriptions will you see comments like "Inspired by..." to let you know that the merchandise isn't an exact copy (which the etailers claim gives them immunity from trademark infringement.)

Many of the better knockoffs come with packaging, locks, etc. to look (and sound in description) exactly like the real thing.

Ebay.com has rules posted forbidding the sale of counterfeit goods, but it's not unusual to see Louis Vuittons on the site for less than $100.

The only way to know if it's real?

Only buy the goods from an authorized dealer (a department store or a company outlet). Many labels sell directly to the public on company-owned sites such as Gucci.com, eLuxury.com (Louis Vuitton, Marc Jacobs, etc.) and Coach.com.

If in doubt about an outlet, contact the designer directly and ask if you're buying from an authorized dealer.


1-800-report-a-fake

Manufacturers spend millions of dollars a year battling the counterfeit problem.

Labels like Coach and Kate Spade have information set up on their websites for you to report anyone who is selling knockoffs of their goods; these sites also have more detailed ways for you to spot fakes of their labels.
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FAKES have become so notorious nowadays, its forcing the majority of designers/fashion houses to follow in the footstep of Hermes. Who can blame them, when really they do miss out on profits, although it might not seem like it matters to them, as they have so much already. It has made me realise that if i had a successful business, and someone stole the idea and was making tons of profit from it, i wouldn't be happy at all, even though i might have $$$$$. Its the principle of it and the fact that it was my original idea in the first place :heart: - OGG :heart:
 
My opinion...Save up and buy the real thing.

I bought a gucci watch on ebay once. Looks real, runs well, has gucci stamped all over it. I have no idea if it's real or not and i'm too ashamed to wear it out, just in case anyone else can spot that it not. So really I'm out that $$ cause it just sits in my drawer.

Now a days, I feel if you can't afford it, don't buy it. Buy the best you can afford and be proud when you earn enough to upgrade.

"Never be seduced by anything that isn't First Class"
 
Id rather people (as well as myself) buy something that's a no-name rather than a fake of the same price. I don't condone buying fakes. Either save up and buy the real thing, or something else please. People don't buy fake Maytag washer/dryers, so why fake clothes? (same idea, cheaper and of crappier quality, except you dont usually show off your appliances)
 
Originally posted by Nader@Apr 23rd, 2004 - 4:18 pm
People don't buy fake Maytag washer/dryers, so why fake clothes? (same idea, cheaper and of crappier quality, except you dont usually show off your appliances)
Haha Nader!! :lol: That just made me laugh :) My fridge is a maytag :rolleyes: :lol:
 
Originally posted by Nader@Apr 23rd, 2004 - 4:18 pm
Id rather people (as well as myself) buy something that's a no-name rather than a fake of the same price. I don't condone buying fakes. Either save up and buy the real thing, or something else please. People don't buy fake Maytag washer/dryers, so why fake clothes? (same idea, cheaper and of crappier quality, except you dont usually show off your appliances)
I agree 100% with Nader.

No-name can be just as good or better than some brand-name or designer, but a knockoff? That is just tacky. It is just like when somebody copies your personal style in high-school to annoy you.

I don't wear any designer clothing, and while I often make myself clothes that are inspired by whatever the top fashions of the day might be, I wouldn't say, copy a Balenciaga top seam-for-seam or a Zac Posen dress. Just because I could doesn't mean I should. Same goes for actual mass-market rip-off artists who are churning out replica Gucci bags, ect. It's not ethical, not creative, and it is very bad manners, taste, and form to pass off somebody else's work as your own.
 
Originally posted by As You Like It+Apr 23rd, 2004 - 11:12 pm--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(As You Like It @ Apr 23rd, 2004 - 11:12 pm)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nader@Apr 23rd, 2004 - 4:18 pm
Id rather people (as well as myself) buy something that's a no-name rather than a fake of the same price. I don't condone buying fakes. Either save up and buy the real thing, or something else please. People don't buy fake Maytag washer/dryers, so why fake clothes? (same idea, cheaper and of crappier quality, except you dont usually show off your appliances)
I agree 100% with Nader.

No-name can be just as good or better than some brand-name or designer, but a knockoff?
Same goes for actual mass-market rip-off artists who are churning out replica Gucci bags, ect. It's not ethical, not creative, and it is very bad manners, taste, and form to pass off somebody else's work as your own. [/b][/quote]
AYLI - Well Put. Unfortunately there will always be auction sites, eh,hem!!, call no names that will attract people who either dont care, cant afford the real thing, or ones that need a logo/brand to feel important. I feel sorry for the gullible ones, but at the end of the day, its up to the individual to thoroughly check certain things out :heart:
 
I'm sorry but I hate fake anything. If you can't afford it, buy something else. There is a lot of no-name stuff out there that is just as good as "designer".
 
I totally agree with you guys, I bought a "Prada" bag in Italy once and when I found out it was fake I stopped using it. It's better to carry something from Zara or Vero Moda than a fake Prada :sick:

One thing that wasn't mentioned in the article is that not only are the fashion houses losing money directly because of people buying knockoffs but their products are also losing value, like LV, which everyone seems to be sick off by now mostly because of the massive supply from the counterfait market.
 
Enough about fake LV!!!!! :sick:

If you care so much about people who carry around fakes then buy another brand! That simple.

You shouldn't care about the fakes other people buy unless you just bought your LV to impress people with how much you spent on it. Are you afraid that someone might believe that someone else's fake LV is real?

PS: LV is very much last years trend so let the people with the fake ones look like losers.

geeeez some of you sound very shallow when you intensely state your opinion (many times over) about a freaking purse!!! GET OVER IT.
 
:lol:

Seriously this is funny
So lets not buy fakes b/c its a cash/tax free business ...well what about ALL OF EBAY- EVERY SINGLE ITEM ...95%+ do not accept nor pay taxes on items that are sold.. AUTHENTIC or NOT it really doesnt make a difference. You will find authnetic items on ebay ...do they pay taxes ...NOPE!
This whole idea about ppl buying fakes = increase in taxes is BS lol

Does about mention antyhing about the consumer being ripped off when they buy a bag for 10 grand lol I bet not... well anyhow I think its rather silly that this subject gets brought up all the time and I do agree with CelineChic when she says certain ppl sound very shallow...

If you want a designer bag.. knock yourself out.. get one.. be it real or fake.. 20 bucks or 2,000 dollars.. who looks stupider... the one who bought the bag for 30 bucks or the one who bought it for 1,000....

I say both :lol:
 
At least Missy44x knows what she's talking about.

Anyone who has taken Macroeconomics class knows that this article is BS.

The only way our counrty benefits from purchases is if the item purchased is produced in the country. For example, it is a lot more beneficial to Canada if I buy Canadian products over America, French, Italian products. Buying Canadian products I raise our countries GDP.

That is why when the US GDP is not up to par they have those commercials that say "Help our economy and buy American made products."


Paying 10,000 for a bag doesn't even go to the US or Canadian govenerment. It goes to the pockets of the people of Louis Vuitton or Prada and then they dont even spend that money in the states they spend it in Europe.

If you buy American then that money goes to Americans and they spend a majority of it on American goods. That is what helps our economy.

That BS about tax is purely BS becauce the $ from tax is minute. The production and sales of LV bags is very low compared to non-luxury products which increase the tax revenue.
 
Originally posted by CelineChic@May 7th, 2004 - 11:54 pm
At least Missy44x knows what she's talking about.

Anyone who has taken Macroeconomics class knows that this article is BS.

Me me!
You're right of course :lol:
 
Not only that but when you're buying those designer bags you're supporting sweat shops (cheap labour)

DO you think the people who slave away in the Louis Vuitton factories are getting paid fairly? If you do think that then you should read some Chomsky or some books on Globalization.
 
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Not only that but when you're buying those designer bags you're supporting sweat shops (cheap labour)

Exactly!!

Do you think it costs 2 grand to make a handbag? Hardly!

The people in China or wherever the items are made are not given a fair chunk of that profit!
 
Totally agree with CelineChic and Missy44x. I think at the end of the day we live in a rich society, where there is alot of money,when compared to Africa, and certain parts of Europe. I do agree 100% that clothing, accessories(incl shoes) are made in poorer countries, where people are paid silly money for hours of hard work, slavery has not been abolished, just in disguise. Saying that i wont be a hypocrite and say i dont buy designer bags, because i do, i also buy no named bags, if the design and craftsmanship appeals. I enjoy luxury goods, as most people do, and i understand that i cant tell people what they should and should not buy. For me Counterfeit goods, dont appeal, because of the politics that support the trade. I would not be pleased to know that my hard-earned cash was going to the Mafia and organised crime, who then use that money to make bombs that take innocent lives, thats why i prefer to buy authentic goods. I wouldn't go as far as paying more than 450.00 for a bag, regardless of who made it or what its made of. :heart:
 

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