Haider Ackermann - Designer, Creative Director of Canada Goose & Tom Ford

[Phuel]

^^^ ...Or simply that there’s a place for both these types of women— and even many more types of styles that a single woman can see herself as? From the mid-2010s, Alber’s Lanvin of asymmetrical but casual fit, with bold jewelry and the dreaded Louboutin had been the look of The Real Housewives Of types from my neck of the woods. So the more discerning women would have avoided this signature— just like Tom Ford would be associated with that king douche type from my neck of the woods, unfortunately. Haider cleaning house of sorts is a huge relief, frankly.

I’m attracted to many types of styles for men: Miuccia’s Prada, before Raf of course; Helmut Lang will always be my first fashion love and ideal; and Tom Ford and his Gucci and YSL, being the personal preference on how to dress. And frankly, maybe because I’m not wealthy, I can and have learned to only afford one item at most from a designer’s collection that will endure for as long as possible to wear with other designers’ investable designs. I can’t imagine wearing a designer head to toe as presented by the label— buying a glutton load of fashion even if I have a privileged allowance, and following only their sensibility.

I’m not going to wear Haider’s Tom Ford as styled: nylon gym short shorts with a bespoke suit jacket and monogrammed slippers LOL I will wear his leather pant with Prada/Church's/Dries boots, an old grey cotton tee from Club Monaco I’ve had forever and own several of because it’s a good fit and weight, and throw a wool double-breasted officer’s coat by Dries over it— or maybe a heavy canvas trench-length peacoat from Christopher’s Burberry Prorsum. That’s over 15 years worth of timeless fashion. And that’s just for a casual look. There’s so much versatility in Haider’s separates here, even the suitings; women can easily wear the men’s— her man's, and everyone can make these designs their own. No one needs to look, dress and act like icy, metallic replicants as styled for the presentation. But I’m a nerd and adore the Blade Runner films, so the fantasy is a fantastic— and kinky, visual for me LMFAO

 

[PDFSD]

Do you think he will leave CG now when he has TF?

i wonder more if he still makes assistants and interns get his lunch and never gives them money for the lunch back at TF.

 

[Phuel]

^^^ Once I had to wash up before headed into a meeting to make a good impression. The washroom was a small one and very old. There was someone in the stall already having a very rough time; I could see his brogues and pinstripe trousers. And he stunk up the entire room. I had to hold my breath to wash my hands as fast as I could— with every second longer I was in there worrying the stink would seep into my own suit, carrying the stink.

With your posts of Haider, I’m gradually getting the impression that he is that person stinking up the washroom while everyone holds their breath— hoping not to catch the stink.

 

[Kanzai]

If what PDFSD said is true, he’s so mean (not Karl Lagerfeld’s diva level) but still 😳

 

[Lola701]

If what PDFSD said is true, he’s so mean (not Karl Lagerfeld’s diva level) but still 😳

Karl wasn’t mean surprisingly because a lot of designers of his generation were…
But actually very well mannered and respectful of others. I have never heard anyone talk badly of his behavior…And I know a few people who worked for him.

That being said, when it was time to axe someone out, he was ruthless.

 

[PDFSD]

If what PDFSD said is true, he’s so mean (not Karl Lagerfeld’s diva level) but still 😳

i dont lie if you speak with people that worked for him each has nothing good to say ...i did not go search for dirt things just come up in conversation like what you think of the new TF and the the stories come out.

also other people note he is soft spoken etc in public but its just an act and smoke and mirror.

honestly only reason i even speak about him is since he got the TF job because i don't follow his old work nor cared for it .

and i feel sad to hear that people going to work are fearful and want to leave after they were hopeful for this change etc that's the sad part and its not necessary to work like this for what laser cut leathers dresses ?

 

[PDFSD]

Karl wasn’t mean surprisingly because a lot of designers of his generation were…
But actually very well mannered and respectful of others. I have never heard anyone talk badly of his behavior…And I know a few people who worked for him.

That being said, when it was time to axe someone out, he was ruthless.

This i love about Karl i am the same ....when you cross the line IRL your out and don't exist!
It's the only way to keep it moving and have drama out of your work and private life.

 

[Lola701]

This i love about Karl i am the same ....when you cross the line IRL your out and don't exist!
It's the only way to keep it moving and have drama out of your work and private life.

Im the same. I don’t subscribe to some of his methods as they are sometimes too perverse ahaha.

Even if it was tempting, I would have never wanted to work for him though as it was too much blurring between personal and professional life (As if working in fashion wasn’t already enough) but I have always heard good things about him.

And when even people you fired or ghosted talk greatly of you, what more can I say.

People have sometimes that misconception of designers. So yes, you can like someone’s work and they can be terrible as person.

So I’m not surprised by what is said about Haider. It happens sometimes. I love his work though.

But for example back in the days, I would have preferred to work for Hedi than Lee McQueen. And it’s not because he is cancer.
Beyond the diva attitude, I have never heard anything déplacé about the way he treat people. Lee was rude.

 

[PDFSD]

Im the same. I don’t subscribe to some of his methods as they are sometimes too perverse ahaha.

Even if it was tempting, I would have never wanted to work for him though as it was too much blurring between personal and professional life (As if working in fashion wasn’t already enough) but I have always heard good things about him.

And when even people you fired or ghosted talk greatly of you, what more can I say.

People have sometimes that misconception of designers. So yes, you can like someone’s work and they can be terrible as person.

So I’m not surprised by what is said about Haider. It happens sometimes. I love his work though.

But for example back in the days, I would have preferred to work for Hedi than Lee McQueen. And it’s not because he is cancer.
Beyond the diva attitude, I have never heard anything déplacé about the way he treat people. Lee was rude.

If i go back i would work for very few creative directors and Hedi i would yes many not.
None of the ones i worked for would i go back except one :-)
I can handle moody and demanding but not cheapness and constant rudeness and toxicity pitting people against each other and racist and sexist you can even have substance abuse i won't look down on you.

but when people get mental & health wise damaged for just going to work its an line and i can't separate the devil from the work results. he not Coco Chanel sorry!!!

Someone i did not work for but i know takes good care of her team is MGC.

 

[Milanese Fashion Dreams]

i wonder more if he still makes assistants and interns get his lunch and never gives them money for the lunch back at TF.

is he THAT person?? looks like he fell from heaven when you look at him in interviews. damn....

 

[PDFSD]

is he THAT person?? looks like he fell from heaven when you look at him in interviews. damn....

its an act like many know who to act in front of public

 

[andrew]

is he THAT person?? looks like he fell from heaven when you look at him in interviews. damn....

well, there's a guy who, according to the bible, famously fell from heaven...

 

[alwaysademo]

Some of the claims here are SO wild. I'd question the rumor spreading Karens before I question the person who has more to lose tbh knowing what I know now. If the highlight of your resume are decency testimonies from co-workers in fashion it's a losing resume.
Just look at the work.

 

[Nimsay]

Decency goes a long way-especially in a city and a tight industry. You never know who’s listening or watching, so if you want to succeed, you must lead with kindness.

Which is why the Haider situation tracks. If the story about stiffing an intern is true, it says everything. Who stiffs an intern? You take them to the kind of lunches they can’t afford so they want to stay in the game. No wonder the big houses never bit.

 

[alwaysademo]

It absolutely does but I need recipes for these kind of claims. Everyone good is cancelled and we're left with a lot of mid fashion workers, all very kind.... and talentless.

 

[PDFSD]

It's not about canceling lol its about a nuanced picture of situations while working in fashion, at the intersection of whoever wants to read it.

I see no need for industry friends to lie about their situations big or small in regards to work related issues. and ist all people that dont even know each other bring their own nugget of experience.

This thread is about anything around his work and in particular at TF now, reflections were about the character of conduct in this case.
If you want one wants to draw focus to his work speak on this and reinforce conversation on this, focus on what interest you the most.

It's common knowledge that working for Ye you will be subjected to mental health issues or back payments of salary etc so it's no different to mention or discuss the behaviors of less know repeat offenders.

In the context of a forum its just conversations and debate, not going to record or screenshot convos to prove a point on a forum for the Blazy Karen's peace of mind that end up on social media and get people with jobs in trouble.

It's always the same BLazy Karens to be reactive to silence any debate ore they don't like pictures references or the other day wants to redirect the debate on the work while never contributing thought provoking text to deep dive into etc.

I care for my friends experiences and its at best a warning for people that join companies to learn from what they can find here or else weher online on any given topic.

How ever unfavorable it may be for your favorites.

 

[alwaysademo]

Hi I usually enjoy many of your posts because they come from an insider's pov, I'm just saying some of these things have a domino effect because as you can see for yourself it subsequently inspired another post about a stinking washroom without any basis and relevance to the subject at hand whatsoever.
And no, I did not mean you have to post screenshots, I've never been about cancelling anyone unless they're truly disgusting. I understand that it irks you to see real life behavior v. public persona and you want to point out the hypocrisy but the fashion landscape right now is way more toxic in the way that it's managed in my humble opinion than some designer screaming in the workplace and unpaid lunches (I've seen worse). If we go by these standards we surely will run out of beautiful things to look at. He just had a very good show and personally I prefer to put my energy in that direction (I did, a page back).

 

[PDFSD]

Hi I usually enjoy many of your posts because they come from an insider's pov, I'm just saying some of these things have a domino effect because as you can see for yourself it subsequently inspired another post about a stinking washroom without any basis and relevance to the subject at hand whatsoever.
And no, I did not mean you have to post screenshots, I've never been about cancelling anyone unless they're truly disgusting. I understand that it irks you to see real life behavior v. public persona and you want to point out the hypocrisy but the fashion landscape right now is way more toxic in the way that it's managed in my humble opinion than some designer screaming in the workplace and unpaid lunches (I've seen worse). If we go by these standards we surely will run out of beautiful things to look at. He just had a very good show and personally I prefer to put my energy in that direction (I did, a page back).

Hi hi,i think its better to let everyone free to express in every color shade of tone , i for once think it made sense to explain the effect of being in contact with a toxic person feels like how it changed the room energy (aka bad smell analogy )

I been in those situations before myself as well, and you question yourself and even blame yourself for putting up with or making a mistake therefore he she was right to scream at me in front of the whole team etc et to name a basic situation.

I feel here when less pleasurable sides of the industry is highlighted people like in real life at work want to glaze over it while it really has effect on people's life people with kids and partners at home and a mortgage to pay, the industry is not just filled with gay that party and do drugs its many people with normal lives and i think if it was in banking or other type of work it would not be so glazed over.

If it's slave work or racism or inequality, sexsim overall dehumanizing experiences etc alls these are boring i get it ...till you have to face it in your real life or someone you love and if it helps by discussing it privately or in friends group or on a forum or on scolicalmedia to repost etc why not.

Sorry i missed the part you wrote i will have a look at it.

But like i said the conversation of his behavior came up after this last show again as i got from the conversation that it got worse so i am demotivated to look in the psychology of his design choices and more pissed of the nonsense.

honestly its not for me to judge how bad x friend have it compared to other more worse situations not done behavior is not done in my books.

I don't regret writing what i wrote with time more people will talk as always things always come out one way or another.

I dont subscribe to its so bad anyways so let's not say anything or its always was like that so what's new .

Than being gay would be still illegal in most parts in the world and woman would not have voting rights etc

 

[Thefrenchy]

I'm with @PDFSD when it comes to being mindful about how we share intel on this forum, and sometimes the audience here deserves to read about who really is behind these carefully curated personas because they should not treat their teams the way they do.

Somehow some get more spared than others (esp certain women designers that I shall not name) because I could go on and on about certain CDs who people think seem fine/lovely are actual pieces of, erm, work (to be polite). And that's coming from people working directly with them. And so on.

Back to Haider, I still have to be wow'd by anything he's going to come up for TF.

 

[alwaysademo]

Hi hi,i think its better to let everyone free to express in every color shade of tone , i for once think it made sense to explain the effect of being in contact with a toxic person feels like how it changed the room energy (aka bad smell analogy )

I been in those situations before myself as well, and you question yourself and even blame yourself for putting up with or making a mistake therefore he she was right to scream at me in front of the whole team etc et to name a basic situation.

I feel here when less pleasurable sides of the industry is highlighted people like in real life at work want to glaze over it while it really has effect on people's life people with kids and partners at home and a mortgage to pay, the industry is not just filled with gay that party and do drugs its many people with normal lives and i think if it was in banking or other type of work it would not be so glazed over.

If it's slave work or racism or inequality, sexsim overall dehumanizing experiences etc alls these are boring i get it ...till you have to face it in your real life or someone you love and if it helps by discussing it privately or in friends group or on a forum or on scolicalmedia to repost etc why not.

Sorry i missed the part you wrote i will have a look at it.

But like i said the conversation of his behavior came up after this last show again as i got from the conversation that it got worse so i am demotivated to look in the psychology of his design choices and more pissed of the nonsense.

honestly its not for me to judge how bad x friend have it compared to other more worse situations not done behavior is not done in my books.

I don't regret writing what i wrote with time more people will talk as always things always come out one way or another.

I dont subscribe to its so bad anyways so let's not say anything or its always was like that so what's new .

Than being gay would be still illegal in most parts in the world and woman would not have voting rights etc

No I agree, sorry if what I wrote even make you feel like I'm some etiquette police in any kinda way. It's all good in the hood, I enjoy many of your posts very much.
I work on the creative side and I feel like right now those are the people I want to lift in some capacity hence my post. But I feel bad now, not my intent to ruin anyone's fun.