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November 24, 2005
Is This the Most Trusted Man in Fashion?

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Federated department stores like Macy's carry Donald J. Trump's line of clothes. He wears them, but he hasn't given up his Brioni.



By CATHY HORYN


YOU probably didn't notice, what with all the excitement about the return of "Project Runway," the release of a survey by a marketing company last week noting that Donald J. Trump had beat out Giorgio Armani and Donna Karan as one of the most trusted fashion names in America. That's right: Donald Trump, the real estate mogul, television star, hair aesthete and confessed "germ freak." Even the editors of Women's Wear Daily seemed to be in a state of disbelief, since their report of the news was buried on the inside.


It couldn't be true. Mr. Armani has worked his fingers to the bone to be a world-renowned designer; spent a fortune advancing the idea too. And what about Valentino, Karl Lagerfeld, Stella McCartney and those boys - what are their names? - Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabbana? They don't even make the list. Shut out of America. Ignored. Trumped. It's true.


The Donald J. Trump collection of suits, ties and dress shirts has been available for the last year at Macy's and other Federated department stores, a couple of hundred outlets in all. Terry J. Lundgren, the chief executive of Federated, has characterized the Trump apparel business as "an unbelievable runaway success." Mr. Trump doesn't design the clothes, he doesn't make them, and he doesn't spend a dime to promote them. And unlike most designers, he doesn't expend any effort trying to convince the American public that a billionaire, the keeper of Mar-a-Lago, the defender of capitalist culture, would dump his $5,000 Brioni suits in favor of his own $495 make. He wears his suits, which are produced for a royalty by a firm called Marcraft, but he also wears the other.


"I like Brioni; they treat me fantastically," Mr. Trump said last Friday from Florida, where he was watching a women's golf tournament at one of his clubs.


He may have been surprised himself to learn that he had done in a year of light lifting what has taken Ralph Lauren nearly 40 years to accomplish. That is, according to the survey, by Brand Keys, a marketing company in New York, his brand is seen as having the qualities that consumers most desire in clothes, namely comfort, style and fit. Brand Keys asked 500 adults, chosen from the nine census regions, to rate a total of 1,200 brands, ranging from banks and fast-food chains to apparel and consumer electronics.


Out of 50 fashion brands, however, only five ranked in the top category, called Human Brands, which simply meant that whether you hailed from a red state or a blue one, said "tomato" or "tumaytuh," you recognized values beyond the commoditized subsoil of price. The five were Chanel, Ralph Lauren, Isaac Mizrahi, Victoria's Secret and, of course, Donald Trump.


A number of designer labels fell into a next-best category, called 21st-Century Brands, which suggested that names like Prada, Armani and Versace also resonated with consumers but without the same degree of meaning as the Human types. The inclusion in a third, more lowly category, Label, of Anne Klein, Bill Blass and Calvin Klein points up the staying power of a name long after the company's founder has died or retired and its product has struggled to be relevant.


"Anne Klein you can find, if you look hard enough," said David Wolfe, the creative director of Doneger Group, which forecasts retail trends.


Robert Passikoff, the president of Brand Keys, said research indicated that Chanel got a boost from the celebrity of Nicole Kidman, whereas "Madonna negatively impacted Versace" after she appeared in its ads. Apparently respondents didn't buy the link between the febrile pop star and the brand, any more than they believed that Sarah Jessica Parker, fresh from "Sex and the City," shopped at the Gap.


Mr. Passikoff said that Victoria's Secret has managed to "humanize" its brand, and Mr. Mizrahi has benefited by his association with Target, though Mr. Trump wonders if it isn't really because Mr. Mizrahi appeared twice on "The Apprentice."


Although Mr. Trump represents a type of success that is clear and compelling to many Americans, Mr. Passikoff said "there were serendipitous events that surrounded him." His reality show and the clothing brand hit just at the moment when more young men were beginning to dress up for work; sales of suits increased 34 percent in 2004, halting an eight-year decline.

That only one designer, Mr. Lauren, made it into the top category on the strength of his own steam is interesting, though. It says to Mr. Passikoff, and perhaps everyone else, that designers are not the cultural symbols we suppose them to be.


"They rely on the old marketing model, which is, 'If you know my name, you'll go out and buy my products,' " he said. "Things have changed dramatically. Those rules were set back in the early ages of marketing, from 1955 to 1975. Designers haven't looked to see how the consumer has changed."


You can understand the consumer - and, in essence, modern marketing - by playing a simple word-association game, Mr. Passikoff suggests. "You ask someone what Mercedes means, they say, 'Luxury.' You say BMW, and they go, 'Engineering.' Toyota? 'Reliability.' You say Pontiac and they go, 'Uh.' " He paused. "The 'uh' is the sound of a dying brand."


Asked how designers might feel to learn that Trump and not Prada struck more meaning with consumers, Mr. Trump answered mildly: "I don't think they would be happy. It's not my first job."


He said that when he first discussed a suit line with Sheldon Brody, the chairman of Marcraft, he naïvely thought it would retail for $5,000. "Then it was explained to me by Terry Lundgren that .001 percent of the population spends that much for a suit." You can only imagine how often that reality has been spelled out to young designers.


Mr. Trump continued: "I think a lot of people like what I like. I don't want to have shirts with sagging collars. I know what people want, whether it's a building or a shirt."


Mr. Trump may not know, but he believes he does, with a childlike simplicity, which seems to help keep his message in front of consumers: If you wear my shirt, you will look successful. Designers, by contrast, seem happier talking in abstract terms like "quality" and "creativity."


Maybe they think this is the sort of thing that editors like to hear, but the terms usually produce the opposite effect in consumers. "Uh."


Of course it helps Mr. Trump that he is on television, but as he points out, any number of famous people, including Tommy Hilfiger and Martha Stewart, have done reality shows without connecting in a real way with consumers. One reason may be that Mr. Trump doesn't shrink before the comedy of his own act: the wives, the grandeur of the lifestyle, the hair.


"He's a camp icon and also a very American icon," said Simon Doonan, the creative director of Barneys New York.


Marcraft is preparing to offer made-to-measure Trump suits, for less than $1,400 with delivery in a week, when it moves into its new office in Trump Tower next year. In February, Macy's will add golf shirts and other casual separates to the Trump mix.


The prospect of designers gnashing their teeth as Mr. Trump collects one of their industry awards seems remote, for now. In the meantime more and more young designers are entering the business - Vogue mentioned a handful this month - without a clear idea of how they will fit in.


"They're topstitching their labels as the next group arrives," Mr. Doonan said.


Mr. Wolfe says that all brands will face the problem of increasing retail consolidation. The other day he was at Garden State Plaza, the mall in Paramus, N.J., meeting with 35 financial analysts. "All they wanted to see were the publicly traded stores - Ann Taylor, American Eagle," he said. "Trends are now being bottom-lined. If it doesn't make money for investors, then it's not a trend."


What's a 21st-century designer to do?


Mr. Wolfe laughed.


"Date Nicole Kidman, obviously."
 
I don't necessarily think that the "average joe" connects the Donald J. Trump collection with clothing more than Armani or Prada, it's just that his name is so much more prominent. There are a lot of people in this country who don't know the first names of Dolce and Gabbana, but practically everyone has heard of Donald Trump in one way or another.
 
^at the same time, if I am a young banker or real estate developer working my way up, Prada will mean fashion and Trump will mean success to me. What do I wear in a board room? success, not fashion. It's also cheaper. I think that the price point is key.
 
"That is, according to the survey, by Brand Keys, a marketing company in New York, his brand is seen as having the qualities that consumers most desire in clothes, namely comfort, style and fit. Brand Keys asked 500 adults, chosen from the nine census regions, to rate a total of 1,200 brands, ranging from banks and fast-food chains to apparel and consumer electronics."

I am a bit surprised that Cathy Horn would consider a poll of 500 people to be worth reviewing at all.

You could easily find 500 people in the USA who would rate Ann Demeulemeester as the most trusted name, or any other designer for that matter.
 
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"That is, according to the survey, by Brand Keys, a marketing company in New York, his brand is seen as having the qualities that consumers most desire in clothes, namely comfort, style and fit. Brand Keys asked 500 adults, chosen from the nine census regions, to rate a total of 1,200 brands, ranging from banks and fast-food chains to apparel and consumer electronics."

I am a bit surprised that Cathy Horn would consider a poll of 500 people to be worth reviewing at all.

You could easily find 500 people in the USA who would rate Ann Demeulemeester as the most trusted name, or any other designer for that matter.

but in nine census regions...that methodology is valid for this kind of survey. they can't get the Ann Dem answer from nine census regions...just looking at our member map :lol:
 
First reaction is to shudder at this, the way Cathy Horyn seems to. The next reaction is, "so what?" We knew this all along, it's no big deal. This just proves that a lot of "high" fashion MUST be viewed as wearable art - that's all. You can go to a gallery and buy an expensive painting or you can go to Bad, Bath and Beyond and buy a by-now nauseating because of it's omnipresence $10 Monet reproduction. The same people that go to Walmart will buy Trump suits. They are the 500 census members. It's Ok, I'm happy in my own country - New York City, and I don't plan to visit the U.S. in any foreseeable future.
 
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So what's next? The Donald taking over as CEO of Gucci dethroning the ice-cream man (Im sorry ... I still dont know his name) :P
 
Honestly, as obnoxious as it is that Trump thinks he can do anything, he's really not the worst celeb to go into fashion is he?
 
there was a prominent jamaican reggae artiste by the name of Super Cat. He once said, "believe half of what you see, none of what you hear and dont even waste time thinking about what you read"
I never agreed with Mr. Super Cat, but for this article i will................
 
i very fond of this.

to speculate idly about the success of Mr. trumps line i would suggest that it seems like a nice safe place middle america can go to look like middle america(although i am not american so what would i know).Also donald trump is hugely popular and such so it no surprise that he beats out people who's entire celebrity is based on fashion.i also that these are just decent suits for a decent price as opposed to some of the aesthetic abominations you see other celebrity lines espouse.

i also think that bodes differently to the way many of the posts suggest as you do not see any of the other "celebrity" lines making the list.although i wish that j-lo(or whatever her "name" is now) had been one of the most trusted.

personally i blame men.:P
 
With all those sales of "Trump Wear", this article just goes to show you that the majority of Americans are simply the worst dressed slobs on the planet!
 
When Trump opened his first casino in Atlantic City, NY Magazine did an article which among other things, listed the overhead. The same day I read the NY Mag' article I also read a Daily Racing Form article that listed all the the American race tracks handles (amount bet) for Labor Day. If the casino Had the same handle that ALL of the US race tracks had on Labor Day, EVERYDAY, it would break even or make a small profit. The numbers didn't make sense and this casino failed.
The numbers on the Trump line don't make any sense to me. The stuff is too expensive for much of the market that would want a Trump suit/shirt whatever and not much of a turn on for folks who regularly buy $500-1500 suits.
I'm just not seeing the market for this line.
 

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