Mizrahi's got a new menswear line
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Thanks for posting.
Could be interesting but the proof is always in the pudding. There's not enough info in what he says at all to picture or to consider what the collection might be like (I mean, how many hundreds of designers consider their collections "plain" and planned "viscerally?")
My only concern/question is whether it is really necessary. There is such a boom in menswear now that I wonder will Mizrahi's voice add a necessary, currently missing, element or will it just be another "designer collection" at Neiman Marcus full of $150 white tshirts, $295 jeans, and $700 blazers that looks like everybody else's tshirts, jeans, and blazers made because there is a market for such items?
What I like about Mizrahi is that he can be rather interesting, but also he must err on the side of caution because he knows what it is like to be out of business. On the one hand, this could help a designer be practical... on the other hand, it could cause them to create a boring collection (especially a "Plain" one for menswear) that would completely lack distinction.
We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.
John
Could be interesting but the proof is always in the pudding. There's not enough info in what he says at all to picture or to consider what the collection might be like (I mean, how many hundreds of designers consider their collections "plain" and planned "viscerally?")
My only concern/question is whether it is really necessary. There is such a boom in menswear now that I wonder will Mizrahi's voice add a necessary, currently missing, element or will it just be another "designer collection" at Neiman Marcus full of $150 white tshirts, $295 jeans, and $700 blazers that looks like everybody else's tshirts, jeans, and blazers made because there is a market for such items?
What I like about Mizrahi is that he can be rather interesting, but also he must err on the side of caution because he knows what it is like to be out of business. On the one hand, this could help a designer be practical... on the other hand, it could cause them to create a boring collection (especially a "Plain" one for menswear) that would completely lack distinction.
We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.
John
rach2jlc said:
I tend to agree.
It could be really plain. I love how he dresses himself, and hope he can carry that over in a more creative way to his menswear line. It WILL be very commercial, probably along the lines of stuff that Michael Kors has out in department stores for example.
You're totally right, Andrew. I was quite excited at first when I heard that Kors would do a diffusion line (this was a few years ago) but then when I saw and tried the stuff on, it was awful. The shirts draped me like a tent and had cheap, plastic buttons and poor construction; the jackets and everything else I tried on also had a VERY poor fit.
Hopefully Mizrahi won't go this route.
John
Hopefully Mizrahi won't go this route.
John
Yeah...the MK stuff is right up there with Hilfiger. I've found some nice stuff from his mainstream line....but for the most part its just okay.
I met Isaac Mizrahi last week, and he's actually really sweet in person. He drew pictures/sketches for everyone. And really took time with each person to talk to them and such.
Here we are:
This is from a Convention Show, taken with my camera.
I met Isaac Mizrahi last week, and he's actually really sweet in person. He drew pictures/sketches for everyone. And really took time with each person to talk to them and such.
Here we are:
This is from a Convention Show, taken with my camera.
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i like his spirit, always coming up with something new and exploring new things. i find that inspiring.....
markie said:
I don't necessarily think that "edgier" is what we need as much as we need more DISTINCTIVE collections. Being "edgy" comes awfully close to becoming gimmicky. For example, as much as I love Gaultier, his insistence to keep putting skirts in the way he did was rather gimmicky... but Yohji's skirts a few years ago were distinctive. What I think makes the difference in this example is that Gaultier was TRYING to be confrontational and enter into a fashion/social sort of dialogue... Yohji was just trying to make something beautiful.
IN any case, distinctive doesn't have to be odd or strange, it just has to be something carefully created and not corporate brand-ized. For example, the new Lagerfeld collection (some of which is for sale on neimanmarcus' website) completely lacks any distinction to me. It looks like EVERYBODY elses $250 jeans and $100 tshirts. I find this alarming that suddenly there is a market for such expensive garbage. I'll pay $100 for a shirt if it is something special... but a screen-printed tee of Karl's hands or a pair of skinny jeans just isn't doing it. There are many other (better) choices elsewhere. I don't know for sure, but I get the feeling that Mizrahi's collection will fall somewhere in this category. He has no history of menswear but he DOES have a history of failure for NOT playing it safe. His more recent stuff is considerably more safe (I mean, Target?)
John
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rach2jlc said:
Oh...I totally understand what you meant.
And I agree.
It's just sad that in order to be succesful you need to spit out mass marketed stuff like Tommy, Michael Kors etc that are crowding up the department stores.
Which is NOT to say that there are not other successful designers........who DO NOT mass market thier stuff. I'm just talking in line with where I think Isaac is trying to go.
When the creative and edgy stuff like Gaultier and etc are not picked up by the masses.
I would LOVE to see men on the street in Gaultier skirts or kilts. It'd be sexy!!
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