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^ The outrage in your comment sounded as if he had to keep people he doesn't see working well on his team. Edward does not need Lucinda Chambers for anything, let alone her "insight", come on! He is a Brit, and the fact he been working in US does not magically change that, especially since he still spent tons of time in UK. I don't think his work is in stark contrast to UK Vogue! How? Even if you look back to i-D, he understands the game of each magazine he worked for. Whether it was for Franca's VI, or Anna's US Vogue, he has talent, and enough knowledge to understand what waits for him in the new job. And CN suits hired him because they wanted a new outlook.

I hated his work for W, but even there his contribution could be great when he teamed up with amazing people.

And i don't think him hiring Venetia is proof he plans to keep the old formula, especially since there will be other different people he will work with on the magazine.

Lucinda is very outspoken, and i appreciate that, but this was daft! She might find herself in a huge lawsuit ala Nicholas! I hope not though.
 
did anyone save the interview?
 
Where have you been your whole life? Hello!! CN has the worst record when it comes to firing their, EVEN, Iconic editors! This is not surprising, at all! Once EIC is gone, many follow, its disgusting that someone like Shulman just assumed her resigning would have no influence on the future of some of her team!!

They fired Vreeland in brutal fashion overnight, and replaced her office. Same for Grace Mirabella who found out by third party she was fired, lol! It's just how it is, I actually have much more respect for Edward now! :P

Huh? :shock: Keeping Lucinda for few more years? :o To help with transition? :blink: I'm sorry but that is just shocking to read, let's not even pretend that Edward doesn't have the right to bring his own people to such a huge job, if he has any chance of taming a beast like UK Vogue, and making it it's own!! It makes PERFECT sense for him to fire Chambers if she didn't hand in her notice when Alex resigned.

Lucinda will be fine, either get another job, or go freelance and double her pay!

I didn't know about Diana, but I did know about Grace. Could they really have done Diana dirty that way? That woman moved around in HUGE circles, she had more connections in Washington and the American elite than with the fashion industry. Screw her over and you'll have the establishment on your back. Anna Wintour and her celeb chums are child's play next to her and her posse!

I will say this again, I'm definitely not sad that Lucinda left. I am however disappointed in the way she left. That is, literally being kicked out. Without (going purely on assumption here) being given the opportunity to show how much of an asset she may have been for Edward's Vogue - even in a demoted position. It is how I would've imagined the thinning process to work? I'm sorry, but this is not a humane or ethical way to run a business. And it should be preposterous to assume that the fashion team are exclusively tied to a certain aesthetic or a certain EIC. I don't think stylists are that one-dimensional.

But I'm glad that Lucinda is marching onwards because it was time for her to go. It didn't seem like the inspiration was there. I also took issue with the part where she begrudgingly styled Alexa in the Michael Kors tee because he's a big advertiser. Nobody forced her to style the covers of this magazine, she could have easily avoided this with her esteem. But I'm sure she understands that covers will further her career that's why she's doing it. If that's the case, why complain then? One of the two Kates or Verity would gladly do it month after month.

Also, towards the end of that article she mentioned 'I haven't read the magazine in years'. Therein lies a tremendous part of the disconnect, because it would mean for years she's been styling in a bubble, blithely unaware who her audience was, what interested them etc etc. Styling for fashion magazines isn't purely about getting your artistic point across, especially not for a magazine like British Vogue. You're also providing a service.
 
^ The outrage in your comment sounded as if he had to keep people he doesn't see working well on his team. Edward does not need Lucinda Chambers for anything, let alone her "insight", come on! He is a Brit, and the fact he been working in US does not magically change that, especially since he still spent tons of time in UK. I don't think his work is in stark contrast to UK Vogue! How? Even if you look back to i-D, he understands the game of each magazine he worked for. Whether it was for Franca's VI, or Anna's US Vogue, he has talent, and enough knowledge to understand what waits for him in the new job. And CN suits hired him because they wanted a new outlook.

I hated his work for W, but even there his contribution could be great when he teamed up with amazing people.

And i don't think him hiring Venetia is proof he plans to keep the old formula, especially since there will be other different people he will work with on the magazine.

Lucinda is very outspoken, and i appreciate that, but this was daft! She might find herself in a huge lawsuit ala Nicholas! I hope not though.

I personally don't question his talent, I do question the creative state he's in right now. And I certainly question his editing skills (that is with his fashion stories, haven't even begun with his features). True, every now and then there's a really good edit in W. This month for instance, the one with Kate Moss and M&M and so forth. He would literally need to make sure he's working with a REALLY good team month after month. Not sure how that will work in addition to covering features, wheeling deals, overseeing staff etc.

It's not harsh to imagine Venetia to be a weak link because her body of work (to date) showed not much diversity nor deviation. It's the same, month after month, to the extent that you think you've just about seen the full scope of her repertoire.

I have a feeling Lucinda's lawyer may have told her to kill this story, perhaps due to a confidentiality agreement in place? Once that's done, she'll sing like a canary, I'm sure.
 
I didn't know about Diana, but I did know about Grace. Could they really have done Diana dirty that way? That woman moved around in HUGE circles, she had more connections in Washington and the American elite than with the fashion industry. Screw her over and you'll have the establishment on your back. Anna Wintour and her celeb chums are child's play next to her and her posse!

I will say this again, I'm definitely not sad that Lucinda left. I am however disappointed in the way she left. That is, literally being kicked out. Without (going purely on assumption here) being given the opportunity to show how much of an asset she may have been for Edward's Vogue - even in a demoted position. It is how I would've imagined the thinning process to work? I'm sorry, but this is not a humane or ethical way to run a business. And it should be preposterous to assume that the fashion team are exclusively tied to a certain aesthetic or a certain EIC. I don't think stylists are that one-dimensional.

But I'm glad that Lucinda is marching onwards because it was time for her to go. It didn't seem like the inspiration was there. I also took issue with the part where she begrudgingly styled Alexa in the Michael Kors tee because he's a big advertiser. Nobody forced her to style the covers of this magazine, she could have easily avoided this with her esteem. But I'm sure she understands that covers will further her career that's why she's doing it. If that's the case, why complain then? One of the two Kates or Verity would gladly do it month after month.

Also, towards the end of that article she mentioned 'I haven't read the magazine in years'. Therein lies a tremendous part of the disconnect, because it would mean for years she's been styling in a bubble, blithely unaware who her audience was, what interested them etc etc. Styling for fashion magazines isn't purely about getting your artistic point across, especially not for a magazine like British Vogue. You're also providing a service.

They did, they still did!! Despite the power, and LEGEND of Vreeland, she was OUT faster than she could pick up her phone!! Her amazing rouge office painted beige (Jesus!!) overnight!!!! She did go on to do great things at The Met though, so it wasn't the end for her!

There is honestly no room for certain stylists once new EIC takes over, it makes perfect sense to me! You have to build your own team, a team you trust, and can grow with! You really think Chambers could work under Edward? Especially since he wanted Scott? Not only would it be humilliating (far more than getting fired)it would be sad. Don't forget how Anna Wintour acted towards Legendary Polly Mellen!! Polly was five times the stylist Chamber ever was, but once Anna took over, she wasn't straight out fired, but ghosted out. All major stories went to Grace, and eventually an Icon like Mellen had to to be told by Si Newhouse if she want's to move on, and she landed at Allure where she did great work. All the amazing Iconic eds she has done with Avedon under Vreeland AND Grace, decades of work, it didn't matter in the end, the new guard was in the building. I honestly don't see it as preposterous, in fact I expected far more heads to roll! :lol:

Yeah Lucinda sounded honest, but also clueless to me! It just goes to show how much free reign she always enjoyed under Shulman! You are complaining about advertisers being used? Not even reading the magazine? What the actual ****! This is one woman who couldn't offer insight to a toddler!

I think Venetia could expand on her style in such a big position, she will have all the means in such a role, if Chambers had the job for so long, I think Scott deserves a chance.

And yeah I would assume CN lawyers shut it down, again Chambers had to sign a non-discloure agreement, like every editor working at CN, so how she thought it was ok to give this interview is beyond me, but i love it. ^_^ But some of the article sounded petty, she wanted this out so people would know Edward fired her? Her alwyer signed off on it? Then why take it down? (she should have listeened to her Sotheby's fellow fired friend, SHE made this into a story now!) I will say this, in an industry full of fake people Lucinda always stayed firmly herself. And she has had some very good work for UK Vogue, just not very recently!
 
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The best bit about the whole thing for me is the mention of how quickly she called her lawyer. That same thought clearly did not cross her mind before publishing this. I imagine somewhere her lawyer was rather irate and swiftly had it removed. It's almost like an e-mail to someone that's been leaked, it's so candid and you can sense her bitterness at being asked to leave. Which is perfectly normal for anyone who's been fired from a job they probably assumed was very safe.

But for me, Lucinda just hammers home everything that was wrong with British Vogue. She stopped reading it. She didn't believe in what she was producing, she just did it, despite knowing it was crap. That is what makes me so mad. Yes it's a business and yes the magazine has to sell but are you telling me Micheal Kors didn't have a better piece to lend to a cover shoot than a striped tee, to go into an outfit you hated and thought was absolute crap, resulting in a cover that was just down right awful? You're the fashion director. Where is your direction for the magazine if even you think what you're producing is utter tripe?
 
^ Truer words! It's hard for me to feel for her, or appreciate her honesty in this piece when it turns into a rant about her losing the job, and then tries to sell it as a think piece on the Fashion Industry as a whole!

I feel the same frustration reading Shulman's interviews now! She STILL refuses any arguments that her magazine lacked diversity, she still claims her "Real Issue" was groundbreaking. Ben wrote in the EIC thread she will probably take down some brands with her knowledge in the colums for BoF, it will never happen! Shulman is far smarter than Chambers, you will never see her be this foolish, she understands the game.

Edward really has a big task in front of him, I really hope he has the backbone for running such a magazine, or he could very well find himself in Chambers.etc shoes, and very fast!
 
This here is the reason why Vogue UK was so bland. You had an EIC who didn't care about the fashion editorials in a FASHION magazine and a Fashion Director who didn't care about or believe in the contents of the magazine her fashion spreads were appearing in. Total disconnect, total mess!

Hopefully Edward fixes this. The jury in my courtroom is still out on Venetia Scott though.
 
Seriously, this is a very juicy interview. She is honest and she has nothing to lose. I appreciate her honesty.

But truth to be told, this is the reality of many industries.
I'm sorry but when there's money and power involved, there's no place for emotion.

When you see how badly treated designers or sometimes executives are, how could you expect from editors to be treated better.
Someone mentioned Carine but i'm sorry to tell that Carine's behaviour leaded to her being fired.
It was impossible for Lucinda to stay there. Edward was a big editor at W, so he knew how to be decisive and how to get things done.
She represents the OLD VOGUE. She had no place in this new Vogue.

At least, Edward was honest and had the courage to say that to her face.

What she is saying about Marni is so true and it's so sad. I knew something wasn't right about that Prada guy going to Marni and she told it like it is. I don't know how they'll recover from this.
And yes, Paulo was a great designer!

I've never been a fan of Lucinda's work at Vogue but one thing is sure, what she did with Marni was AMAZING.

She is a respected editor and i believe that like Carine, she will be able to work with a big brand but i don't see her working with CN anytime soon judging by her comments.

She should do Miu Miu!

Here's a link
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://vestoj.com/will-i-get-a-ticket/
 
TBH, I refuse to believe that the higher ups didn't know. It's unlikely that the EIC, an upcoming one all the more, wields more power than executives. Maybe they knew but they didn't want to add to the injury considering they might've become friends during the 25 years of her tenure.

It seems they knew, after all. I had an inking that they guy who exclaimed 'Outrageous! Ridiculous! Crazy!' knew what went down. :lol: He sounded way too over-dramatic, and I simply didn't buy it.

Condé Nast Britain, the company that publishes Vogue UK, issued the following statement in response:

“It’s usual for an incoming editor to make some changes to the team. Any changes made are done with the full knowledge of senior management.”
 
^ Hahah the publisher's reponse did sound extra fake, smh. Of course they knew, but it really seems this was a shock to Lucinda, which sucks, but also makes ME shocked she didn't see it coming!
 
From the BOF today...

Lucinda Chambers' Passion for Pictures
Lucinda Chambers, fashion director of British Vogue, talks to Colin McDowell about growing up on the verge of bankruptcy, meeting Mario Testino, working with Grace Coddington and what goes into making a great fashion image.

LONDON, United Kingdom — “It was a very smart address, even though we were not smart,” recalled Lucinda Chambers, the esteemed fashion director of British Vogue, who lived, for a time, in Cheyne Walk, one of Chelsea’s top addresses, in a flat with a short lease which her mother re-decorated before selling up and moving on. “My mother, who moved us on average every 18 months, only looked at properties on page 58 of the London A-Z, within walking distance of Harrods and Brompton Oratory.”

“My mother was a great maker of things,” she continued. “And when she did up the flats, she did everything herself. She did them up, sold them off and moved on — and that is how we managed to keep more-or-less solvent. But we were always short of money and my mother made my school uniform and I loved making my own clothes. We would go to Harrods (mother with a tape measure in her bag) and try on clothes that we then made for ourselves. We had no patterns, but she had an incredible eye.”

At Hornsey College of Art, Lucinda was surrounded by “brilliant people,” but felt she was not one of them. A self-confessed under-achiever, she found a creative outlet making Perspex jewellery — what she now considers “horrible” earrings and necklaces that she sold at Camden Market. When she left school, she lived in a London squat, worked on the sales floor at Topshop, made clothes for a theatrical company, and grew increasingly drawn to fashion.

“As Mario Testino once said, I looked like a freak and I knew it,” she confessed, recounting how she first met the celebrated photographer with whom she has collaborated closely for many years. “I was living in a squat, which is how Mario and I met. At that time, he had never done a picture, but we started doing tests together. In those days, of course, you never expected to make any money out of pictures. You did it because it was your passion.”

“It was the photography that excited me," she continued, "so I phoned Vogue to see if there were any jobs. I didn’t even know who to ask for, but by sheer luck I was put through to the head of personnel.” Three weeks later, she was offered “the worst job in the building.” But it was a step in the right direction and she took it without hesitation. She became secretary to the woman who was responsible for the magazine’s petty cash payments. “She was very difficult and frequently threw things at me, including pens. At that point, I was making my own clothes and they often began to fall apart by the end of the day. She would shout, ‘You’re not in the fashion department yet my girl!’ For a long time, I didn’t even know who the editor was.”


It was the legendary Beatrix Miller who edited British Vogue at the time. She eventually called Lucinda into her office for an interview, which Lucinda recalled vividly. “Miss Miller went out for lunch every day and she interviewed me whilst she was perking up her makeup before leaving. Holding up the mirror to catch the light from the window, she never even looked at me, but she fired off questions... To my amazement, I became her assistant, though she once said in despair, ‘Darling, there is so much in your head, but you are so disorganised.’”

It was true that Lucinda had her own way of doing things. For example, she filed letters from Miss Miller to Lord Snowdon (Antony Charles Robert Armstrong-Jones, an English photographer and filmmaker) under T for Tony, “because that way I could remember them better. But Miss Miller stuck with me which, looking back, I find rather incredible.”

Grace Coddington, then an editor at British Vogue, noticed Lucinda and felt she would make a good fashion assistant. But every time she proposed the idea, Miss Miller would reply crisply, “She’s not ready.” Lucinda is sure the judgement was correct, but fate dealt her a lucky hand. She had worked with Wendy Dagworthy, who offered her a job, and she went to Miss Miller on a Friday afternoon to explain that she was leaving to take the position. By Monday morning, she was Grace Coddington’s assistant.

“I wasn’t ready for it. But then, nobody is ready to be Grace Coddington’s assistant. She’s a total genius. It was an amazing privilege to work with her, but it was very much a baptism of fire. I cried when I was in the fashion department. But in between the tears, Grace taught me everything.”

“What made her truly exciting was that she appeared to have very little formal education, so she came at things with a pure eye and no preconceptions. She would look at, say, an Edward Western monograph, with an absolutely fresh eye unclouded by historical or intellectual baggage. She was a task-master, but even though we were chalk and cheese, I learnt so much. She had a totally organised mind. I had a ragbag mind. She got fed up, I think, and I was shuffled along. I went to the beauty department and that was great, as I was allowed to devise the beauty page and have it more or less photographed as I wished.”

Sally Brampton, who had previously worked at Vogue, was appointed editor of the newly launched Elle (UK) and she offered Lucinda the post of fashion director. When Lucinda went to tell Miss Miller of her decision to leave, she was amazed to hear that Miller was leaving too. Anna Wintour was to take over her job. Any doubts Lucinda might have held about going to Elle were dispelled. As she admits, “I wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes with Anna….” But when Wintour moved to New York to edit American Vogue, Liz Tilberis took over and invited Lucinda back in the role of fashion editor (current Vogue editor Alexandra Shulman made her fashion director in 1992).

“All my life, I have never thought I was quite ready for anything,” she conceded, “but I knew that it was the shoots that excited me. I like the planning and the teamwork and the page is everything to me. And I know where I am in the world. I have always accepted that there are better people than me out there. I sit very comfortably in the middle," she added. “I am so lucky to work for Vogue. I have the privilege of being on shoots with the world’s very best: Mario Testino, Patrick Demarchelier, Paolo Roversi….”

“Grace taught me how to look up and out, but I need to feed my brain as well as my eye and so much of that comes from working with the right people and in the right situation.” Lucinda believes firmly that a crucial part of being creative is being open to others. She recalled an interview she had many years ago with a college tutor who dismissed her with the words, “You're just a Chelsea girl wasting my time.” She found it so mindless and prejudiced to assume that, just because she had a certain address and way of speaking, she could not possibly be serious in her ambitions. It was a formative experience and the lesson she learned has never left her.

“In my job, you have to sell a concept to editor, photographer, set designer and model. You have to convince them enough to take them with you — and that means they must trust you. And you must trust them and never forget you are not dealing with idiots, but with people possibly more imaginative and talented than you are.”

“You must be open to what they say and you must listen. That interplay is the most valuable part of creativity. Without it, the dream in your head never becomes reality.”
 
Vrexit, indeed!

Who’s in and who’s out at British Vogue? ‘Vrexit’ continues as Emily Sheffield announces that she’s leaving

The changing of the guard at British Vogue continues apace this morning, as the magazine’s deputy editor Emily Sheffield has announced that she will be leaving the title after a decade of working under former editor-in-chief Alexandra Shulman’s lead.

Sheffield is the latest high profile name to bow out at the title, after Shulman announced in January that she was to leave Vogue after more than 25 years at the helm, officially exiting her blush pink office on 23rd June. Her successor, the internationally respected fashion director Edward Enninful, was appointed on 10th April and, as the first male editor in the magazine’s history, its was expected from the off that he would shake things up and assemble a new team of collaborators.

Dubbed 'Vrexit', the mass exodus of staff at Vogue marks the end of an era at the fashion bible - but also the beginning of a new one. For those who want to keep up, here are the comings and goings in the revolving doors at Vogue House this summer...

Who’s out?

Invitations to celebrate Sheffield’s Vogue years at former editor-in-chief Alexandra Shulman’s home were reportedly circulated yesterday, but it’s set to be a summer full of leaving do’s for the Voguettes with several of its most-beloved names seeking new ventures. Managing editor of 24 years, Frances Bentley, editor-at-large Fiona Golfar, beauty director Nicola Moulton, and several junior staff members and assistants have all chosen to follow Shulman out the door.

Lucinda Chambers, the magazine’s fashion director for 25 years, has also made headlines this week after giving an interview to Vestoj stating that she was fired by the incoming editor and discussing her anxieties about life after Vogue. Chambers’ legacy at the title will be hundreds of pages of dynamic fashion editorials, yet she questions decisions like dressing recent cover girl Alexa Chung in a Michael Kors t-shirt because "he’s a big advertiser so I knew why I had to do it." In the blog post she also hints that she is already working on her next fashion venture.

"Will I still get a ticket? Where will I sit?" she ponders in the interview. "I haven’t had to think about those things for 25 years. Most people who leave Vogue end up feeling that they’re lesser than, and the fact is that you’re never bigger than the company you work for. But I have a new idea now, and if it comes off maybe I won’t be feeling so vulnerable after all."


Who’s in?

Incoming editor-in-chief Enninful officially commences his role on 1st August, and has reportedly made half a dozen new appointments. Only one has been officially confirmed so far, though, as British stylist and photographer Venetia Scott will take up the position of fashion director (replacing Chambers) on 10th July, coming full circle by returning to the place at which she started her career, working under Grace Coddington in the early 1980s.

Enninful describes his colleague at as ‘visionary, influential and inspiring’ citing her extensive experience and passion for innovation as the traits that won her the job. Other vacancies left to fill now include a deputy editor, beauty director and personal assistant to the editor, meaning that Enninful will now be able to assemble his own dream team to action his vision for the title and kick start the new Vogue years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/...eaving/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
 
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Last I heard he wanted Emily to stay, and now she resigned? Interesting!
So the two Kates and Verity stays? Knew he wouldn't ditch them. Verity's work, btw is nearly identical to that of Venetia's.

Wonder what will happen to Jamie Perlman......
 
I read some of these articles you guys linked to, but some things have me confused. Perhaps you guys are less confused and could help me out?

1) If Shulman left on her own accord, why would junior members of staff and assistants follow her out the door? Will they go directly into Shulmans employment? It seems like a big risk to take if you are not promised a job... Is it an easy job market?

2) Do anyone actually read Vogues anymore? They are rarely the first to describe a phenomena and rarely offer a insightful quality analysis worth reading (at least in english). So what is it that they are supposed to be writing that we are supposed to be enjoying? Celebrity interviews? Fluff pieces(/page fillers)?
 
Did they leave or were they fired? Thanks Lucinda for confusing me.
 

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