First of all, sweetie, don't put words into my mouth, okay? Secondly, I think you answered your own question. "So if something is so beautiful (like the LV bag) that tons of ppl like that means it's mainstream?" Yes. Mainstream by definition is Representing the prevalent attitudes, values, and practices of a society or group. LV is one of the most prevalent brand along with Gucci and Chanel in the whole wide world. And just because I said it was mainstream doesn't mean it isn't beautiful. Again with the putting of words in my mouth . I like some mainstream brands, also. ANd not all people will like Schiap. A lot of people will think it's goofy, IMO. But I love Schiap. Lastly, all Gianni's influence IMO were not intellectual. He just incorporated them into modern day clothing that looked glitzy. And ebolewg, I think I acknowledged what you said in another thread, though I don't like Gianni.