Victoria's Secret Etc, Etc (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)
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Anyone got any photos of abbey lee?
We care about who's an angel or not because it's an important part of Victoria's Secret reign...
Why always the same question? For fans it IS important, just like to someone who loves HF (like me) is important who opens a show, or makes certain campaigns... Don't bash over this, just because it's VS! I'm pretty disappointed with VS nowadays, to be honest, but I share the worries about all this "Angel Issue", as a fan at first sight of this company! I just wish they would take a f***in' break for a year or more, decide what they want to do...and then renew the contracts they should and find some new decent girls. Only when VS accepts this makeover will I regain my full respect... 
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A company always has people who are happy or unhappy with their choices. But VS isn't a high-fashion label. They are basically JC Penneys (their words, not mine.) VS is a very successful company but, quite honestly, 90% of their clientele doesn't really care who is an Angel or not. They care that their bras fit, the prices are fair, and maybe that their ads are pretty.
There are many many many models VS can choose from. I understand the revolving door is annoying, but it's not that big of a deal. Heidi Klum is the only Angel everybody knows. Adriana Lima and Alessandra Ambrosio are maybe the only other two that most of the general public would know. Other than that, to most people, they are all a bunch of anonymous pretty girls.
VS is a brand, and they are aware of their marketing and advertising. They try a few new things every years, to go 'with the times.' It's part of any company's growth trajectory. Simply put, models don't make Victoria's Secret successful; their clothing sales do.
There are many many many models VS can choose from. I understand the revolving door is annoying, but it's not that big of a deal. Heidi Klum is the only Angel everybody knows. Adriana Lima and Alessandra Ambrosio are maybe the only other two that most of the general public would know. Other than that, to most people, they are all a bunch of anonymous pretty girls.
VS is a brand, and they are aware of their marketing and advertising. They try a few new things every years, to go 'with the times.' It's part of any company's growth trajectory. Simply put, models don't make Victoria's Secret successful; their clothing sales do.
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We care about who's an angel or not because it's an important part of Victoria's Secret reign...
well said
I wouldn't even put them on that level. They're in most malls around the U.S. alongside stores like Spencer Gifts, Hot Tropic and Hallmark Cards.
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But the models are the ones who make the clothing attractive to people, this is the very definition of commercial modeling. It is the models in the commercials, catalogs, on the web site and on store signage that generate interest in VS, i.e., helps the potential buyers to think of VS when they are buying lingerie as opposed to a department store, a mass market store or another lingerie retailer.
VS' marketing strategy is all about the models and there is no other brand in high fashion or mass market that is as openly model centric - Ralph Lauren, Lancome and Estee Lauder and Maybelline may to some extent, but they still don't come close. The obvious evidence of this is the fact that VS' models have an actual title - Angels. I don't necessarily agree that there are many models to choose from, and to the extent that I do it is because VS is considered one of the best clients that a model and agency can have and as such, agencies will send as many girls to be seen by the VS PTBs as the company will allow.
I agree that the general public is not tracking the specifics of who is an angel, who is an almost angel, whose contract was not renewed, etc.
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To an extent, but you could crop the heads out of the pictures and the sales would be the same. The general public doesn't know or care what the models' names are. None of the names are mentioned in any of the catalogs or on the site that I know of. The "Angel's" aspect and the televised show seem to be a separate entity from the actual sales of merchandise.
Were we talking about sales?!
'Cause I don't think we were... We were talking about F-A-N-S!!! People that look beyond the bras and panties... I don't even have anything from VS (there's not a store physical nor online in my country), but I care about the media, the shows, the angels... That's what appeals me! Not the fittings... I know that's really important, and that sales make a brand, but that's not the only thing that matters. I doubt VS would have been so successful if they didn't start making a annual show, using ANGELS (Stephanie, Tyra, Karen and all the others) that were approachable to the public, they made a big deal about models! When people broadcast or watch VS shows, especially in the past, they wanted to see MODELS+underwear! Not just underwear. The fact that they really USED models, instead of just making them hangers, clearly means that they care for them way more than you're suggesting! For the company, it is a big deal who's an Angel or not! That's just the way I see it, but I'm not an insider, I can be wrong... They would just be like La Perla or other lingerie brand...sales? yeah... But no way as much!!! Models DO make VS successful, because they attract people! Period!...and we are the fans. That is why we give a s***. We are aware of the general public to whom models are anonymous pretty girls. We are not stupid. But we know them and they are important to us, that is why we are here. Why there is always someone stating like we shouldn`t be interested in them, just because it`s VS? I understand if they don`t care, but I can`t understand why to come and contradict something like this over and over again. Each on their own.
I understand people are fans of VS more because of their models. I get that.
What I'm saying is, as a huge sales-driven company with large marketing campaigns, they are not ever going to make everyone happy with their choices. Simple as that. I'm not always happy with their model choices either.
So grow up and stop whining so damn much.
What I'm saying is, as a huge sales-driven company with large marketing campaigns, they are not ever going to make everyone happy with their choices. Simple as that. I'm not always happy with their model choices either.
So grow up and stop whining so damn much.
I wasn't complaining about the models they hire...I'm complaining about the mess VS has got themselves to...Personally, I think they are kind of lost, not only Angel-wise, but also their shows and catalogues... That's just my opinion... As a fan, I worry about that! It's not because I don't like this or that model, it's generic, the whole idea of throwing new girls and see if they stick or not. They are trying to MAKE Angels... Imo, an Angel is BORN with it, the looks, the personality, the it factor! They won't even let the girls grow in the public...
I disagree with your first sentence and last sentence, but I agree with the middle. I agree that the general public does not know the VS Angels names* nor do they care who is an angel or not, but that does not mean that they do not respond to specific models and that VS is not capable of tracking that information.
You absolutely cannot crop the heads off the models and the sales will be the same, if so they would have done that and saved themselves millions of dollars. In that case all they would need to do is hire the body doubles of Lara Stone, Marissa Miller, Raquel Zimmermann and Eniko Mihalik for all their print materials. Heck, Heidi would have been kicked to the curb ages ago! Their faces, posing and personalities matter considerably, I would think that Adriana Lima's striking face is a key factor in her progression at VS.
As far as the VSFS is concerned, of course it is the biggest single VS event, and while important to the angels, there are probably several other Angel duties that outrank the VSFS in terms of their job security as as an angel. At the VSFS the angels are supplemented by 25-30 other models, and a VS Angel isn't going to worry about Abbey Lee stealing the show, but she is going to worry if what Abbey models in the catalog outsells what she models. In the post Tyra era, the Angel most affected by the VSFS is Heidi because she is the host, but even in her case the commercials and appearances are probably on par with her hosting duties.
* Although it should be noted that the models with the greatest name and face recognition are VS models, just recently Lara Stone may have distinguished herself as a non-VS model from the current generation of models who is gaining recognition.
But you said that you are looking at things from the fan standpoint and not sales. I really and truly don't mean this in a snotty or disrespectful way, but that point of view is pretty meaningless to the company. Fans are spending time trying to analyze the website and trying to figure out the categories and who is in the categories and what is the official word and who are reliable sources, etc., and what may seem messy to fans may be necessary for the bottom line as they try to figure out which model moves product. I guess my question to you is that when you say that they are lost, are you referring to them being lost in such a way that they are losing sales?I wasn't complaining about the models they hire...I'm complaining about the mess VS has got themselves to...Personally, I think they are kind of lost, not only Angel-wise, but also their shows and catalogues... That's just my opinion... As a fan, I worry about that! It's not because I don't like this or that model, it's generic, the whole idea of throwing new girls and see if they stick or not. They are trying to MAKE Angels... Imo, an Angel is BORN with it, the looks, the personality, the it factor! They won't even let the girls grow in the public...
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But you said that you are looking at things from the fan standpoint and not sales. I really and truly don't mean this in a snotty or disrespectful way, but that point of view is pretty meaningless to the company. Fans are spending time trying to analyze the website and trying to figure out the categories and who is in the categories and what is the official word and who are reliable sources, etc., and what may seem messy to fans may be necessary for the bottom line as they try to figure out which model moves product. I guess my question to you is that when you say that they are lost, are you referring to them being lost in such a way that they are losing sales?
I believe that they were actually loosing sales, to be honest!
At least they are not wasting as much money as they were in the past in the million dollar bra, in the shows... Just saying... But I was referring to being lost in terms of ideas, actually! Just because a brand has good sales, that doesn't mean they aren't lost...I believe that they were actually loosing sales, to be honest!
They are not lost on ideas, they are just not ideas that you like.
Actually, I think I'm not alone on this thought. Most of VS fans think the same. Coincidence?
I don't think so!Similar Threads
