Vogue Italia August 2019 : Stephanie Seymour & Claudia Schiffer by Collier Schorr

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  1. mepps

    mepps Well-Known Member

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    Collier Schorr explaining her work, always makes my head hurt.
    She should never be mentioned in the same breath as Newton, because she does not have the range.
     
  2. MON

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    I can imagine the Art Department of VI cutting the individual letters, stapling them, scanning them, and then attaching them on the cover. HAHAHA i cannot.
     
  3. kasper!

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    So vugler...
     
  4. Lola701

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    Exactly! June was a great photographer but also a very important component of the « Helmut Newton machine » as both the muse and the BTS person.

    What I think is very dangerous is the hypocrisy behind it.
    Newton’s photos empowered women because he showed powerful women in control of their bodies and sexuality. It’s that very dangerous thing in seeing things of the 60’s, 70’s or 80’s with our 2019 mind and our current social questions.

    Why is it hypocrite? Because she is saying that she is inspired by him, trying to copy his style and at the same time telling you, readers that his style is not valid because he is a man.
    Now, you can totally accept it because it’s done by a woman. It’s insane to think like that!

    I don’t like that undertone of « seeing perversity » when there’s nothing. Maybe i’m reaching and reacting too much about this...
    That being said, I think Newton was more respectful of women than a lot of photographers who didn’t necessarly made a career by photographing naked women. Not everybody is Terry Richardson.
     
  5. aracic

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    Remember when Katie got 8 supermodels completely naked on the covers of LOVE, shot by Mert & Marcus way back in like 2010 and no one had to explain it? Still some of the best, most powerful covers of this decade. I miss sex in fashion.

    Anyway, my judgement got clouded for a hot second there simply because I was really happy to hear that both Claudia AND Stephanie got covers. But then I looked at them and it was all gone. They clearly wanted both of them naked but they had to cover up for the sake of... what? Some activism or something? That belt on Stephanie looks fu*king ridiculous and we'll pretend the other cover doesn't even exist. Claudia wearing heels but holding another pair in her hands just to cover her private parts is also ridiculous, as well as that horrible jacket she's holding that's covering a part of her leg, making her look flat and weird. She looks highly uncomfortable in both of her covers like and what on earth are those angles? I'm very happy that they're promoting female photographers and artists and what not but what's the use of her gender if she can't do the job? Was there not another, more talented woman who could do these other women justice by shooting photographs worthy of Claudia Schiffer and Stephanie Seymour? I'd be embarrassed to put these in my portfolio. Even with all the text and those horrible, horrible third grade decorations it looks cheap and amateur, but imagine those photographs without the logo or any text. It looks like it was shot by one of those random photographers on Instagram that leave spam comments under your posts begging you to check their content. No ma'am.
     
  6. jorgepalomo

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    Stephanie’s first cover is nice. The other ones are choices
     
  7. Perickles

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    Horrible cast, and horrible photos! They need to stop with 90's models and with Collier Schorr one of the worst photographers in the history of the world.
     
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    I LOVE Claudia and Stephanie but These pics are so vulgar and cheap.

    I MISS FRANCA
     
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  9. AFWQ

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    By now we can assume that poor font is Vogue Italia trademark with Franca's son...

    All Vogues are in poor shape.
    And this team is nowhere near where this magazine needs to be in. They re-doing same thing over and over again...

    Are sales at least good?
     
  10. biagiolr

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    I like Claudia's covers, but the aesthetic is not that good; the nude shots are so clinical.
     
  11. TommysBaby

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    You've got 2 supermodels stripped naked and this is the result? Someone said it looks like Vogue Ukraine but at least VU produces some glamorous images. Inspired by old Vogue Italia, they try to invoke recognizable theme of glamour using unconventional methods. It's sometimes pretentious but there seems to be some thought there.

    This on the other hand is bland - every month VI tries using big names and hype to sell their sub-par covers and reaches very hard to invoke glamour! And art! And modernity! And fails at all of them! I can positively say that every good cover they produce is a fluke. It saddens me to say that Vogue Italia is a Vogue which unlike all other Vogues is consistently terrible simply because they try so so hard. I was actually supportive of their vision because I wanted this to be a new era and I didn't want them to simply work on auto-pilot. But after several disappointments over the past 2 years - far more than the pleasant surprises - I have given up. They've taken my favorite models and given them some of their career's worst covers. Embarrassing.
     
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  12. Phuel

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    And this is what gets passed and celebrated as a form of empowerment these days :sigh:

    If one takes these images purely on face-value, they’re just banal outtakes/test shots from anyone-- with no skills, no style and no perspective. It’s so dire and dismal that the industry have to market these lessers with social/politcal gimmicks.

    It’s disingenuous, intellectually dishonest to hype Collier as revolutionary for simply and lazily copycatting Helmut’s aesthetic as somehow a breakthrough because she’s a woman. Alongside June, Ellen Von Unwerth was very much a kindred spirit to Helmut in her celebration of depicting beautiful, playful and strong women. And she had her own distinctive style of photography and never copied Helmut’s style.

    Whether ignorant or just desperate to appease kidz (and I don’t want to say millennial because not all young people are so self-absorbed, entitled and dismissive of the ones who came before them) by hyping Collier’s mediocrity as some new feminist breakthrough, this tell but don’t show gimmick has grind high fashion to a massive halt.

    I understand the excitement people feel when they believe they’re a part of a new movement that makes history. But all these shallow and superficial hypes that’s best epitomized by Maria’s hollow slogans masquerading as something profound, is nothing more than a gimmick relied on by less talented individuals. And it’s always the less talented ones that need to shout to you how important they are by relying on virtual signalling.
     
  13. Scotty

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    They're all terrible. Collier Schorr is just not a good photographer. I don't care if she's a woman or not.
     
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    Well, you all said everything that needed to be said... Photography is a way to communicate ideas and messages. So, when you feel the need to use words to explain it, you failed imo.

    New creative director or not, the problem is the editor in chief. He spends his tenure to make some hommage: to love, to our planet, to some Italian singer, to some legendary photographers, to Europe.

    His all tenure is about hommage which is the nice way to say "blatant copy". :innocent:
     
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  15. Joromana

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    My god. Collier is usually a lot more raw. This is so Photoshopped.

    And what's happened to this magazine???
     
  16. apple

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    It's so sad to see what vogue Italia has become. Once one of the most influential, provocative and creative magazines, it now has to rely on Collier and futile excuses to put two amazing women half naked on their covers. And that font. Who thought that would work? I can't read anything and it looks like one of those tags I used to sew on clothes I made for my dolls. This issue had some potential. You have Claudia and Stephanie, two equally gorgeous and underrated super models, but you ruin everything by the most overrated photographer I have seen and this pretentious set and explanation. The art direction of this magazine I'd a joke. I can't remember the last issue I have genuinely appreciated. I'm truly sad while I'm writing this.. As an Italian, I feel so bad too look at the downfall of out vogue.
     
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  17. vogue28

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    My favourite is the first cover with Stephanie Seymour! Feels like such a treat to see her on the cover of Vogue Italia following her absence in the Versace campaign. I'm instantly reminded of that shot of Gisele Bundchen by Michael Thompson from 1999 with Seymour's first cover - looove it.

    Claudia Schiffer, on the other hand, has photographed horrendously. Once again, Farnetti should've just stuck with the one cover.
     
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    Both covers are boring, poor art direction & the photoshoop is horrerous. :blink::ninja:
     
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  19. Fiercification

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    Collier Schorr is the worst fashion photographer ever. I mean all her stuff is the same dire, lifeless, glamour-less BS masquerading itself as forward-thinking feminism.

    Tell me this...if her images are so innovative, then why have the most prominent female figures in the public eye (let's say the world's most famous pop star) rather aligned themselves with the likes of Camilla Akrans as opposed to Collier in order to promote their work?

    I would like to assume it's because being a feminist/equal opportunist ≠ needing to make oneself look like s*t, which is the only "innovative" thing CS specialises in!

    All magazines continue to be in dire straits at the moment but Vogue Italia is really scrapping the sludge at the bottom of the barrel, and all too consistently now.

    All those opportunities to create creative, envelope-pushing images that are available when you take on editing this particular Vogue edition and this man has no idea what to do here!
     
  20. Perickles

    Perickles Well-Known Member

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    She uses feminism as people who didn't know to do anything used minimalism.
     

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