Fashion Gets Political

OMG... :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :dizzy:

laughing so hard it hurts...!!!...hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......
 
Originally posted by softgrey@Jul 29 2004, 10:15 AM
OMG... :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :dizzy:

laughing so hard it hurts...!!!...hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......
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We aim to please :wink:
 
Originally posted by faust@Jul 29 2004, 09:51 AM
EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION. I can't stress this enough. Every social change that was ever made came by grassroots. It's not like the wealthy and powerful decide to be nice one day and make life better for society. The more educated the masses are, the less brainwashed they are, the faster human progress will occur.
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' EDUCATION , EDUCATION , EDUCATION ' , was what Tony Bliar said was his priority when he came into government , and we unreformed socialists took it to mean that State education and schools would be made as good as , if not better than the privileged private sector .

What it has ACTUALLY meant is that Bliar has brought in even MORE selection in schools so that the affluent middle class get to send their kids to the best state schools , by virtue of where they live in the leafy dormitory suburbs , while ' the lumpen proletariat ' are left with the ' sink ' schools in poor inner-city areas , so polarising a divided society even further . Apathy breeds in such an unfair political climate .

The Daily Mail , meanwhile bleats about the ' dreadful ' state of public education , defending at the same time the privileges of its right-wing middle class readership .
Can you blame such hypocrisy on the part of both government and the press for making people think that promises made by politicians count for nothing , once they have had your vote . Why vote at all - it's like a turkey voting for Christmas !!

In order NOT to incur Lena's :heart: wrath , I will keep this on topic in these ' Fox News ' right wing times , by saying that in times of right - wing supremacy , tight skirts , very high stiletto heels and power shoulders on women's suits are ' de rigueur ' , so we will look to see if they are served up in the A/W 2004/2005 collections in October , in Paris and Milan . !!!

As for your comment on dear David , Faust , the tone seems vaguely familiar . :wink: :wink: :wink: Know what I mean ? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

KIT :blush:
 
Originally posted by kit@Jul 29 2004, 11:03 AM
SOFTGREY :heart:

AGREED ABSOLUTELY , but the daily ' pap ' in the tabloids and on rubbish TV sends the message that its no use doing anything ( eg , use one's vote ) because ' THEY ' , the liberal bleeding hearts , will not take cognizance of the opinions of ordinary people , so why vote , it's a wasted gesture .

If only ' ordinary people ' were to wake up !!!

But why bother thinking , when there's the England football manager's latest affaire to read about , plus the infidelities of David Beckham , Wayne Rooney et al .

SOOOOO much more interesting !!! :angry:

Bread and circuses !!! :yuk:

Sad , but true .

KIT

( I'll get down off my soapbox now :blush: ) .
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Kit - but isn't whats happening on Big Brother not much more important than the genocide in Darfur????? There ought to be a sarcasm emoticon.

The goverment is happy for papers like the sun to print garbage because it effectively controls the masses - the proletariat. as does football - and obsession with the beckhams/celebrities generally.

It does all begin with education. How do you educate people to be interested in imporatnt issues (that hurt your head) when you can switch on Big Brother & be numbed into oblivion?

sometimes i think that we in the west haven't seen enough real suffering to appreciate how lucky we are.
 
Helena,

I think the only way to make people interested in important issues is to introduce current events and international affairs into the school curriculum at the youngest age possible. As soon as kids learn the names of the continents they should start to have an idea of what is going on in them.

I can't speak for the UK but I know that in the US, it is positively disgusting that we are at war in the Middle East and most people around here cannot tell Iraq from Iran on a map and have no CLUE about the culture of the area. So many people here think Islam is only good for breeding terrorists and have no idea that there are lots of normal peaceful and law abiding Americans who practice Islam too.

What you said is so true, that people would rather watch some trash on the television than use their brain cells to think about the news and the upcoming election. It makes me positively ill that my classmates, all around 18 to 19 years old, are candidates for the two draft bills sitting in the House and hardly any of them, at least in the little rich spoiled beach bubble of Orange County, have any clue why this war is taking place or even WHERE it is taking place.

I think the problem is that they do not teach world history properly here, at least not in California. They teach European history and call it world history. We never learned about the Middle East or Africa or South America in school, because I think our government does not respect those places enough to add them into our textbooks. We never talked about the news in school. If I was in charge of the world there would be weekly debates about current issues because what gets people riled up and ready to make a difference is healthy discussion about issues, not some lame attempt like "everybody bring in an article from the newspaper and write a two sentence summary of it."
 
Lena, from what I understand it is rather easy to get around that compulsory voting, non? That is what I was told by my Greek poli.sci teacher...it has something to do with a passport
 
Originally posted by MayaPapaya9@Jul 30 2004, 01:50 AM
Helena,

I think the only way to make people interested in important issues is to introduce current events and international affairs into the school curriculum at the youngest age possible. As soon as kids learn the names of the continents they should start to have an idea of what is going on in them.

I can't speak for the UK but I know that in the US, it is positively disgusting that we are at war in the Middle East and most people around here cannot tell Iraq from Iran on a map and have no CLUE about the culture of the area. So many people here think Islam is only good for breeding terrorists and have no idea that there are lots of normal peaceful and law abiding Americans who practice Islam too.

What you said is so true, that people would rather watch some trash on the television than use their brain cells to think about the news and the upcoming election. It makes me positively ill that my classmates, all around 18 to 19 years old, are candidates for the two draft bills sitting in the House and hardly any of them, at least in the little rich spoiled beach bubble of Orange County, have any clue why this war is taking place or even WHERE it is taking place.

I think the problem is that they do not teach world history properly here, at least not in California. They teach European history and call it world history. We never learned about the Middle East or Africa or South America in school, because I think our government does not respect those places enough to add them into our textbooks. We never talked about the news in school. If I was in charge of the world there would be weekly debates about current issues because what gets people riled up and ready to make a difference is healthy discussion about issues, not some lame attempt like "everybody bring in an article from the newspaper and write a two sentence summary of it."
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I love you! Are you a born American? Please tell me so. I need my faith in the American people renewed...
 
mayapapaya-you're so right about the history and current events being taught in american schools...my dad is a teacher...but he is from italy and went to primary school there...he can still go on and on about world geography and history like no one i know...part of that is that he is interested in it himself...but part of it must be that it was part of his early education...

the only current events education i had was exactly how you described-bring in an article and write a couple sentences about it...it just so happens that at the time there was a war in the middle east-late 70's-so the current events was all about the middle east at the time...so i have some clue about the region...but no more than any onther part of the world...much of what i know i've learned myself...

and waht about that...what about taking responsibility for your own education and reading a book that hasn't been assigned...what about reading the paper and talking to people...i really feel that we as individuals need to be more responsible for ourselves and for our lives...
 
Originally posted by softgrey@Jul 30 2004, 11:34 AM
and waht about that...what about taking responsibility for your own education and reading a book that hasn't been assigned...what about reading the paper and talking to people...i really feel that we as individuals need to be more responsible for ourselves and for our lives...
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Absolutely. I think that comes from parents and social environment. Mostly parents, I think. Today's parents, what do they do? They are overworked, and in their free time they are parked in front of TV. Kids need constant attention, otherwise pop culture and peers get a hold of them.
 
Faust, I love you too, and yes I was born in NJ and raised in MA and CA. It's true that my parents' world views have influenced me a lot, because from a very young age my father and mother would talk to me about religion and politics during dinner, so I grew up thinking it was interesting and wanting to know more. Parents must respect their children's intelligence and understand that even young kids are capable of handling quite some political issues. Also my boyfriend is very into politics and economics and he's influenced me to be more involved as well. It's all about who you are surrounded by...a good kind of peer pressure.

Softgrey, it's absolutely true that individuals must take action to educate themselves. However, it is hard enough for kids to do all their homework AND study for all their tests AND study for the SAT AND do their extracurricular activities, all to get into college. I think that part of the tests/homework should BE about current events, that is what we should be studying in school, because it's a far more important subject than say, the years I spent learning about algebra that I will never use again. It's only when I got to college that my classes started dealing with these things, that I had time to look them up in the library and online. In high school it wouldn't have been possbile. Also in college in the first time that the curriculum looked at communism objectively, while in high school all we were fed was entirely pro-capitalist. But that's another topic I guess!
 
Originally posted by MayaPapaya9@Jul 30 2004, 03:02 PM
Faust, I love you too, and yes I was born in NJ and raised in MA and CA. It's true that my parents' world views have influenced me a lot, because from a very young age my father and mother would talk to me about religion and politics during dinner, so I grew up thinking it was interesting and wanting to know more. Parents must respect their children's intelligence and understand that even young kids are capable of handling quite some political issues. Also my boyfriend is very into politics and economics and he's influenced me to be more involved as well. It's all about who you are surrounded by...a good kind of peer pressure.

Softgrey, it's absolutely true that individuals must take action to educate themselves. However, it is hard enough for kids to do all their homework AND study for all their tests AND study for the SAT AND do their extracurricular activities, all to get into college. I think that part of the tests/homework should BE about current events, that is what we should be studying in school, because it's a far more important subject than say, the years I spent learning about algebra that I will never use again. It's only when I got to college that my classes started dealing with these things, that I had time to look them up in the library and online. In high school it wouldn't have been possbile. Also in college in the first time that the curriculum looked at communism objectively, while in high school all we were fed was entirely pro-capitalist. But that's another topic I guess!
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I hope I can raise my daughter an intelligent, independent thinker. Ahh, there is hope after all. :flower:
 
My parents aren't really into politics at all (well my father is....he's a very intelligent man) but I picked up an immense interest in American politics. I agree with Faust that current events needs to be more integrated into the school system. It's hard to do something you love knowing that it won't show up on a college application like reading current affairs magazines, etc. I mean....it's just not something that is considered worthwhile or appreciate amont the general populace I don't think.
 
look at the shirt worn by samantha perry...
 

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I think it's just childish to make fun of either parties in clothing :innocent:
 
Originally posted by Bonchic@Aug 11 2004, 02:02 PM
I think it's just childish to make fun of either parties in clothing :innocent:
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why?

i don't see how it's chidlish to expres your views, through what you wear, comical or not
 
well some of them are funny but some of the others well I just don't like..
 
Originally posted by Bonchic@Aug 12 2004, 06:43 PM
well some of them are funny but some of the others well I just don't like..
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That may be true, but there's something called freedom of speech. :flower:
 
I think that your political views in fashion are so much better than the "boys suck, throw rocks at them" t-shirts.

I was just flipping through the pages of the US Cosmo and I saw an article about how women just don't vote. Obviously, people feel the need to get the message across. You have women actresses wearing t-shirts that say ROCK THE VOTE, you have other pictures of stunning women wearing shirts that say THIS IS WHAT A FEMINIST LOOKS LIKE.

While I wouldn't come out and wear something as crass as f*ck BUSH, I would be inclined to wear something that says VOTE KERRY, or HANDS OFF MY BODY.

I don't consider myself to be very into politics so I don't really have a "party". I do on the other hand list to the platforms and make decisions based on what I hear and what I like.

I dislike the fact that Bush wants to make abortions illegal. Not that I have any use for them myself, but I am very strongly pro-choice for everyone. My opinon is that if used as your form of birth control its wrong. Buf if something happens and you aren't ready for a child, the decision should be yours and not the presidents. Already Bush has implemented various restrictions to abortion. He is passing/or has passed a 24 hour wait period for abortions. You now have to go to an abortion clinic, have a talk with a therapist, see pictures of aborted fetus' and then wait 24 hours before you can make the decision on what to do with your own life.

I don't like the fact that Bush has so many ties with the Bin Laden family and the Saudi Royal family. I don't like that after 9/11 occurred, all flights were banned except for the planes that picked up the Bin Landen family members. I don't like that when they were looking for the terrorist, Bush thought that pulling up gun purhchasing records were a voilation of the 2nd amendment. Terrorist usually purchase guns, why shouldn't we be able tos ee those records? He now wants to implement a 24 hour period on guns as well. 24 hours after you purchase a gun your record of that will be destoryed because it violoates your consitutional rights.

I have never used my right to vote in the US before. This year I will. I do not think that the US needs to be run by Bush and I would proudly wear a VOTE KERRY t-shirt...


And this is from a dual citizen
 

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