Saint Laurent - The All-Things Saint Laurent Thread

Using only the yellowish ones would be a bit much, erring into 70s post modern home decor, just is a missed opportunity because the overload of clean white is too clinical when it is a whole store of it. Some rooms, sure but it's just so blue toned and wan looking.
I would have reused the chandeliers of fall/winter 23/24 for more warmth instead of simple marbles. They were inspired by the Intercontinental ones and the concept was already exported in a Tokyo show in the early 80s.
Also a floor in that red lacquer from the Rive Gauche boutique would have helped.
 
I would have reused the chandeliers of fall/winter 23/24 for more warmth instead of simple marbles. They were inspired by the Intercontinental ones and the concept was already exported in a Tokyo show in the early 80s.
Also a floor in that red lacquer from the Rive Gauche boutique would have helped.
The idea of mixing the gold chandeliers (bourgeois/good taste) and the red lacquer (subculture/bad taste) is the perfect representation of the duality of Saint Laurent. If I ever become YSL's creative director (extremely unlikely, but you never know), I'm stealing this idea (with credit, ofc).
 
It’s the largest flagship store so it has to look like a supermarket of luxury and to project an idea of high taste, also to look like an Art Gallery.
I used to like YSL stores under Tom (by Sofield) and Stefano (by Moatti Rivière). I was less thrilled by Hedi and I can’t say that Anthony is making me jump but it does the job. It’s not particularly inviting…Or am I too used to Peter Marino’s boutiques?

It does kind of look like a cross between an Apple Store and a contemporary Art museum…Like Pinault’s Bourse du Commerce.
 
It’s the largest flagship store so it has to look like a supermarket of luxury and to project an idea of high taste, also to look like an Art Gallery.
I used to like YSL stores under Tom (by Sofield) and Stefano (by Moatti Rivière). I was less thrilled by Hedi and I can’t say that Anthony is making me jump but it does the job. It’s not particularly inviting…Or am I too used to Peter Marino’s boutiques?

It does kind of look like a cross between an Apple Store and a contemporary Art museum…Like Pinault’s Bourse du Commerce.
I agree with you, especially as it is a flagship on the Champs-Elysees, a very touristic destination, not attractive to locals. It’s the tourists’ ideas of high-end I assume. But it’s still doesn’t have to look like a columbarium.
My view of a Saint-Laurent store would be much more decadent, like a sophisticated day-bordello, with whiskey stained carpets, and scents included (a mix of unpleasant sex fumes of a bordello, with old tobacco, and heavy lilies or encens everywhere trying to cover those fumes), but with Old Masters on the walls.
The customer experience at St Laurent must be a mix of guilty pleasure (to spend so much of money on such thin, frivolous and unnecessary clothes, while completely buzzed on Champagne and day-drinking). They should walk out from a store like a post-romp walk of shame… anyway that’s how I feel after my nth caban, tuxedo jacket and the 15th black silk shirt which I won’t wear…
Ultimately, I feel Kering (St Laurent and the new Gucci concept) is trying to catch-up with Zara, but with more marbles, more artsy stuff, and I don’t like it. It’s especially bad with the Gucci Ancora new flagship. But soon we will see Zara or the Ortega family launching an art foundation, and works popping up in Zara stores.
The ones mastering the art of a gallery concept store while still remaining cozy are The Row (and maybe Marino in some selected LV stores).
 
I see this written a lot here. Someone who is a YSL customer is not shopping at Zara. So - I for example - wont know that its a Zara dupe because I havent been to a Zara in like 12 years. The only ppl shopping at both are not a YSL customer and just a Logo Obsessed Yuppie who doesnt think designer clothes are “worth it” because there isnt much logo. Walking around with 10k in Accessories with a $100 outfit is Victim.
 
I agree with you, especially as it is a flagship on the Champs-Elysees, a very touristic destination, not attractive to locals. It’s the tourists’ ideas of high-end I assume. But it’s still doesn’t have to look like a columbarium.
My view of a Saint-Laurent store would be much more decadent, like a sophisticated day-bordello, with whiskey stained carpets, and scents included (a mix of unpleasant sex fumes of a bordello, with old tobacco, and heavy lilies or encens everywhere trying to cover those fumes), but with Old Masters on the walls.
The customer experience at St Laurent must be a mix of guilty pleasure (to spend so much of money on such thin, frivolous and unnecessary clothes, while completely buzzed on Champagne and day-drinking). They should walk out from a store like a post-romp walk of shame… anyway that’s how I feel after my nth caban, tuxedo jacket and the 15th black silk shirt which I won’t wear…
Ultimately, I feel Kering (St Laurent and the new Gucci concept) is trying to catch-up with Zara, but with more marbles, more artsy stuff, and I don’t like it. It’s especially bad with the Gucci Ancora new flagship. But soon we will see Zara or the Ortega family launching an art foundation, and works popping up in Zara stores.
The ones mastering the art of a gallery concept store while still remaining cozy are The Row (and maybe Marino in some selected LV stores).
Pinault and Arnault are turning Les Champs Élysées into their Monopoly. On the same side you have The Vuitton, the Dior, The YSL, the new Vuitton in construction and considering the success of Celine, I wouldn’t be surprised (if Hedi renew his contract) to see them have a Celine space in a few years (as it’s the direct competition to YSL). When on top of that, you add the fact that the Gucci store is literally the first store welcoming you to the Avenue Montaigne when coming from Champs Élysées, it’s exhausting!
And it’s matter of time, now that Arnault is in the hospitality game, for LVMH to have a bistrot or a premium cafe in the Avenue to compete with Le Fouquet’s.

I get why they are opening in Les Champs but considering that it’s probably the most agitated place in Paris, I hope their security is top notch. It’s a matter of time for the windows to be broken during the next demonstration.

I wonder what Ortega is waiting for to open a store in Avenue Montaigne. They have stores in some of the chicest areas of Paris already. I would expect a COS or even Massimo Dutti at Saint Honore or Montaigne.

I totally agree with you regarding the aesthetic. They are doing a quite grown up proposition in terms of dressing, you want to see that reflected. I though Anthony had more personality to infuse in interior design.

Peter Marino stores, despite the criticism he gets, are inviting and they aren’t trying to be anything other than retail spaces. And I love the fact that they screams luxury even in the most ostentatious way. You enter for the first time and you can get a wow. Even though the only wow I had when entering boutiques was with the Dominique Gonzalez-Foerster and Ghesquiere designed stores for Balenciaga. They were literally conceived like an Art Project. I still remember the Rome store which wasn’t conceived like a regular store. The boutiques they did together were a real trip!
 
I see this written a lot here. Someone who is a YSL customer is not shopping at Zara. So - I for example - wont know that its a Zara dupe because I havent been to a Zara in like 12 years. The only ppl shopping at both are not a YSL customer and just a Logo Obsessed Yuppie who doesnt think designer clothes are “worth it” because there isnt much logo. Walking around with 10k in Accessories with a $100 outfit is Victim.
I agree with you but I visit both … I don’t shop at Zara cause a) I don’t like the fabrics and the fabrics and b) I hate the concept of fast fashion, but I do recognize their efforts both in store designs and campaigns wise.
But no need for a true Scotsman fallacy… there ARE actual customers in YSL who wear Zara and comes only for accessories (with VAT refunds), I suspect it’s even a majority of the passersby on a regular day … and it will be the case especially in a Champs-Elysees location.
 
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I see this written a lot here. Someone who is a YSL customer is not shopping at Zara. So - I for example - wont know that its a Zara dupe because I havent been to a Zara in like 12 years. The only ppl shopping at both are not a YSL customer and just a Logo Obsessed Yuppie who doesnt think designer clothes are “worth it” because there isnt much logo. Walking around with 10k in Accessories with a $100 outfit is Victim.
Pinault and Arnault are turning Les Champs Élysées into their Monopoly. On the same side you have The Vuitton, the Dior, The YSL, the new Vuitton in construction and considering the success of Celine, I wouldn’t be surprised (if Hedi renew his contract) to see them have a Celine space in a few years (as it’s the direct competition to YSL). When on top of that, you add the fact that the Gucci store is literally the first store welcoming you to the Avenue Montaigne when coming from Champs Élysées, it’s exhausting!
And it’s matter of time, now that Arnault is in the hospitality game, for LVMH to have a bistrot or a premium cafe in the Avenue to compete with Le Fouquet’s.

I get why they are opening in Les Champs but considering that it’s probably the most agitated place in Paris, I hope their security is top notch. It’s a matter of time for the windows to be broken during the next demonstration.
But no need for a true Scotsman fallacy… there ARE actual customers in YSL who wear Zara and comes only for accessories (with VAT refunds), I suspect it’s even a majority of the passersby on a regular day … and it will be the case especially in a Champs-Elysees location.
Excluding their in-store stores, Rive Droite stores and outlets, Saint Laurent has 6 stores in Paris:
• Grenelle
• Avenue Montaigne
• St-Germain
• 38 Faubourg
• St-Sulpice
• Champs-Élysées
Élysées will probably act as the core tourist's destination with Grenelle and Montaigne trailing just behind after their renovations. Meanwhile their smaller stores will continue to focus on their core customers. If the BoF article is to be believed, Saint Laurent is one of the few larger houses that actually have a substantial clientele for their ready-to-wear (actual suits and dresses) and I'd doubt that said clientele would appreciate having to share the same space as rabid Rosé fans.
 
New production facilities in Tuscany for Saint Laurent's leather goods:
Saint Laurent CEO Francesca Bellettini Inaugurates Atelier Maroquinerie in Tuscany
The site reflects the French brand's high ambitions for further growth of the leather goods category.

By LUISA ZARGANI
DECEMBER 15, 2023, 2:14PM

SCANDICCI, Italy — Leather goods account for 70 percent of sales at Saint Laurent, and ambitions for further growth of the category at the French brand are high, reflected by the official inauguration of the new Atelier Maroquinerie in Scandicci, near Florence, on Friday.

The major new facility is dedicated to the production of handbags, small leather goods, belts and accessories. Francesca Bellettini, chief executive officer of Saint Laurent and deputy CEO of parent group Kering, presented it as “the center of excellence and competence” of the brand, which will “play a vital role in our growth objectives.”

“Bringing together the development of both accessories and leather goods, the atelier will be an environment for sharing expertise, generating ideas and encouraging experimentation,” continued Bellettini. “L’Atelier Maroquinerie will help us realize our ambition to develop the most desirable leather goods and accessories in the world.”

Covering almost 310,000 square feet, the atelier employs more than 500 artisans and technicians. The facility will produce all of the brand’s prototypes and samples as well as bespoke items for Saint Laurent’s VIP clients. Production activity on the site will be limited to the more complex items that require superior technical skills.

All of the leather goods collections are developed in-house, including 25 to 30 prototypes a day.

Internal production is 5 percent of Saint Laurent’s global leather goods volumes, or about 500 bags a day. The maxi shopping Icare, the Jamie, the Bea and the 5 à 7 are currently some of the bestselling bags.

The rental deal with the owner of the buildings that make up the complex, CDP Real Asset, under a 27-year agreement was formalized in January 2020, just before the COVID-19 pandemic hit, and Bellettini confessed that seeing the completion of work on the key venue was a moment of pride and that “the emotion is a lot.”

The complex was erected between 1991 and 1994 to house the Center of the Ministry of Finances but was never completed or used, and has been re-qualified by CDP Real Asset with an investment of more than 30 million euros according to the needs of Saint Laurent.

“We could have erected a building from scratch but this gives us much more satisfaction,” said Bellettini. “It reflects the extraordinary collaboration with CDP, we worked with tenacity and respect for one another.”

Formerly known as the “Palazzo delle Finanze,” the building was conceived by architect Pierluigi Spadolini. Giancarlo Scotti, CEO of CDP Real Asset, controlled by Cassa Depositi e Prestiti, said it was a “complex project, and although not originally completed, the design was of great quality” and new green spaces have been established around the complex.

It is undoubtedly striking, spanning over four floors, with several interconnected buildings for easier communication, speed and efficiency.

The complex is filled with natural light, as expansive windows with green frames are among the main elements. In fact, the interiors are peppered with numerous plants, and green velvet chairs — the color a recurring theme — juxtaposed with white desks and some black chairs. The complex offers beautiful views of the Tuscan hills. A furnished, spacious courtyard promises to be a welcoming meeting point during the warmer months. Bellettini underscored that all the elements of the decor were approved by creative director Anthony Vaccarello.

L’Atelier Maroquinerie will be home to Saint Laurent’s extensive research and development activities, helping to foster innovation in materials and components, and production flexibility, said Bellettini. “Innovation is not only technological but also manual.”

To ensure the future of production, the location includes a specialist school to train artisans and technicians and provide advanced courses for experienced personnel. In addition to after-sales support, the facility will provide repair and refresh services for clients in Europe, while training colleagues at Saint Laurent’s worldwide repair centers to ensure globally consistent quality and service.

“Luxury has a duty to continue to invest and the heart of leather goods is here,” said Bellettini. “L’Atelier Maroquinerie will combine generations of knowledge with new levels of innovation. Creativity is at the center of what we do, it’s our pride and satisfaction to invest in creativity. Business comes after.”

Saint Laurent arrived in Scandicci 10 years ago with 60 employees, but outgrew its previous space and is now regrouping all the leather goods artisans under the same roof here. Bellettini underscored the value of the “fundamental” link between France and Italy, for Saint Laurent and the entire Kering Group. The latter has more than 13,000 employees in Italy working in approximately 50 sites.

The executive said 84 percent of Saint Laurent suppliers are Italian.

To be sure, Scandicci is a key leather goods production hub, home to Gucci’s sprawling leather goods and shoe industrial complex ArtLab a few steps away, as it is to a Prada complex, among others. Most of the external production of Saint Laurent leather goods come from Tuscany, said the executive.

The building will receive the LEED Gold certification. In sync with Kering’s environmental objectives, Saint Laurent on site experiments with the use of new materials, such as TPU; sustainable packaging, and reducing and reusing leather scraps. Women at the complex represent 53 percent of total employees and 50 percent of managers are women.

The ribbon cutting was held in the presence of the president of the Tuscan region, Eugenio Giani, and the mayors of Florence and of Scandicci, respectively Dario Nardella and Sandro Fallani.
Source: WWD
 
I am just a bit annoyed that 90% of YSL RTW is made in Italy and not in France now
If you think that's bad, I remember there being a small period where YSL sold €10'000 evening dresses that were made in Madagascar...
 
If you think that's bad, I remember there being a small period where YSL sold €10'000 evening dresses that were made in Madagascar...
Phoebe Philo's Celine used to have things manufactured in Madagascar, like shirts. I always wondered why Madagascar - such an unlikely manufacturing location for high fashion. Are they known for good tailoring or finishing?
 
If you think that's bad, I remember there being a small period where YSL sold €10'000 evening dresses that were made in Madagascar...
Phoebe Philo's Celine used to have things manufactured in Madagascar, like shirts. I always wondered why Madagascar - such an unlikely manufacturing location for high fashion. Are they known for good tailoring or finishing?
They are skilled for clothes-making. They have a very small textile industry over there which is for example not comparable to what is happening in Morocco.
I don’t think they have capacities for mass brands so from the little I know, they are really contemporary/luxury brands focused. They also skilled in Couture techniques so I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that some couture dresses are for the most part made there with small finishing done in Paris.

Y’all can imagine also that due to their very weak currency, the margins are quite insane for brands.
 
They are skilled for clothes-making. They have a very small textile industry over there which is for example not comparable to what is happening in Morocco.
I don’t think they have capacities for mass brands so from the little I know, they are really contemporary/luxury brands focused. They also skilled in Couture techniques so I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that some couture dresses are for the most part made there with small finishing done in Paris.

Y’all can imagine also that due to their very weak currency, the margins are quite insane for brands.
Ok, makes sense. It's like China and their silk.
 
... What Im not paying you 10k euro for so you can pay some impoverished person 20 euro for the lionshare of fabrication. Im fine with reasonable markups to cover the overhead of running a business. though PP has no stores so their margins should be a lot higher than LV - who has to support a huge amount of stores.
 
Ok, makes sense. It's like China and their silk.
Yes but the difference is that it’s still quite artisanal in Madagascar as they don’t have the same kind of infrastructures that China can offer even if in terms of craftsmanship they don’t have anything to envy to some ateliers in Paris or Milan.

I have a feeling that it’s something that we are going to see much more than ever now. With the economy, to execute this kind of fine craftsmanship, Madagascar would probably be one of the first destination, as in terms of production, it’s still quite small.

It’s not like in India where their Savoir Faire is used in a bigger scale…
 
I think small batch, highly artisanal clothes making exists in many countries. Japan is one example, as is Thailand. But I assume that the wages in Madagascar are much lower.
 
I think small batch, highly artisanal clothes making exists in many countries. Japan is one example, as is Thailand. But I assume that the wages in Madagascar are much lower.
So I made a little bit of Googling, and Kering already set up a supply line in Madagascar for crocodile skins but they are also working with Akanjo: akanjo.com
Here a recent article in the local press : TEXTILE HAUT DE GAMME - Akanjo se taille d’une belle étoffe
And a Google translation:
"One of the flagships of the country's export-oriented textile industry becomes the first company in Madagascar rated exemplary ISO 26000 by the French Standards Association, AFNOR Certification. It is with great pride that Akanjo announced the news on social networks. “ISO 26000 is the only international standard that aims to provide organizations with guidelines for social responsibility. The standard respects the major international founding texts such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the conventions of the International Labor Organization, etc.,” recalled Akanjo before noting that the company has included its processes and philosophy in the principles of this voluntary standard. As the first company evaluated at this level in Madagascar and the Indian Ocean, Akanjo also affirmed that it has a duty to set an example towards its stakeholders and intends to further encourage societal and environmental development in its sector. “The ISO 26000 assessment induces a process of continuous improvement of practices and compliance with the duty of vigilance, controlled by regular surveillance and renewal audits. Akanjo’s CSR approach has been built, maintained, improved, understood, experienced and supported by management and its employees for nearly 25 years,” explains the company. Several specialties Created in 1998 in Antananarivo, in Ambatomaro, Akanjo is an exceptional player in the production of luxury ready-to-wear, collaborating with the most prestigious French fashion houses. LVMH, Kering, PPR Luxury Group, Gucci and Richemont. A clothing and embroidery company employing two thousand four hundred people, it specializes in high added values in several specialties: hand embroidery, machine embroidery, smock, laser, ultrasound and framis, pleating, weaving, caning, finishing dyes and treatments, manipulations… In manufacturing, Akanjo has formed specialized assembly lines: dresses, blouses, flou and large flou skirts, leather pieces, duck down jackets, other multi-product chains, skirts and pants.... “More than 20 houses seams that trust us. Nearly 400 embroidery techniques mastered, several thousand different models exported each year. Akanjo is the only Malagasy company to have obtained the ISO 26,000 CSR standard and which has also complied with the WFTO Fair Trade Standard.
which has become the largest exporter of goods in Madagascar.
The World Fair Trade Organization recognizes Akanjo S.A. as a guaranteed fair trade company. In addition, the company was classified by AFNOR Certification, according to several criteria, including governance, human rights, environment (water and energy management, waste recovery, fire brigade of the Andralanitra landfill…), working relations and conditions and the community and local development. Which enhances the somewhat portrayed image of free textile, clothing and accessories companies, THA, which is often questionable."

That looks good to me.
 

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