After Dior, can Givenchy, Lacroix and Chanel measure up? by Colin McDowell- times

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After Dior, can Givenchy, Lacroix and Chanel measure up?

by Colin McDowell (the times)

Is Galliano at Dior a good or a bad thing for Paris couture? This season he is such an impossible act to follow that the Chambre Syndicale should probably have cancelled all shows still to come. Certainly if they had banned Givenchy we would all have been saved a lot of pain. Riccardo Tisci, the designer there, produced a show which raised many questions but provided no answers. For starters what is couture for? Once we knew it was about beautiful clothes to make beautiful women. At this deeply troubled house they don't think that way. Choosing to show couture in a raw hanger-like space with pools of water for the models to drag their evening dresses through is neither intellectually challenging nor conceptually original.

It's just dumb. If it's theatre it's theatre of the absurd. Or is it theatre of cruelty - to the spirit of French couture? And the clothes? Don't even go there.

If Tisci's muse seemed to me Morticia of the Addams Family, Christian Lacroix's jumping-off point is perhaps two rabbits copulating, he mixes his colours and patterns so promiscuously. It really is impossible to imagine any woman of sane mind wearing much of what comes down his runway, which is a pity as he has the colour sense of an artist and a feel for pattern which is both bold and complex. But poor Christian so clearly never knows when enough is enough and never seems to learn from any mistakes. His muse is actually the tawdry Christmas fairy who is never once popped away up in the attic.

And the results of her presence are frequently dire. For example a promising white lace evening dress has so little line left after Lacroix's been at it that it looks like nothing more than a Victorian unmade bed and a series of bunchy crinolines in dodgy furnishing fabrics were like nothing more than those dolls that some people put over their toilet rolls. And it's really sad because Lacroix has talent and integrity. Someone should be permanently at his side saying: "No Christian! No! No! No!"

At Chanel all is grandeur, from the audience - Madame Chirac on one side, Sophia Coppola and Kate Bosworth on the other - to the setting of the Grand Palais - to the trappings: a huge white carpet rolled out by five lads which would not have been so vulgar if it had been sent up by having the lads semi-naked, say, wearing only Speedos with the crossed C logo in diamonds. But sadly the witty gene was one not given Karl Lagerfeld. But he was given a lot more, including immense talent. This season his daywear was beautiful although I did detect a frisson of fear and even alarm from his vertically challenged not to mention somewhat broad-beamed private clients as it became apparent that many of the skirts were so short they didn't even come below the jackets. There's going to be a need for some serious adjustments when the fittings start. Things usually become a big circus at this house as evening falls and this season was no different, with very heavy glitzy gold and rather too many little patches of fur and feather which managed to look slightly scrofulous and worst of all half gloves of feathers which would be just like wearing a dead bird on your hand. Clearly something that every woman needs.
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Colin McDowell is a famous fashion historian and also write some amazing books like fashion today.

But I just cann't believe when I read this, he is so harsh.
 
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He Speaks The Truth.

Givenchy, while gorgeous and technically brilliant...Was so pointless.
 
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Unbelievably harsh.........
.........but it does bare some truth in this article...especially about Christian being told "no!" :lol:
 
Psst who said couture needed a solid concept and should be 100% wearable when many people cannot readily afford a $25,000 gown? Importantly, couture is custom made. If the affluent customer doesn't want it, unlike RTW they can get whatever they choose. It seems quite juvenille to call a collection "pointless" for it's relative, especially relating to creativity. The consumer will decide if they want it or not, and if she does, then she shall wear it with pride regardless of what Mr. McDowell states. Ms. Rich lady may find the concept amazing and buy 4 gowns if she chooses. Thus, who can really say what is what?
 
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It was most certainly not pointless... but that could be argued for pages and pages...

Once we knew it was about beautiful clothes to make beautiful women.
I believe this is where he went wrong... it is much more than that.
 
Saying something is pointless, is pointless epecially when ten seconds of typing cannot be alloted to back it up
 
justinleaddict said:
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It was most certainly not pointless... but that could be argued for pages and pages...


I believe this is where he went wrong... it is much more than that.
I agree w/ you there...Couture is more than just pretty well-made clothes.

Alright, here are my ten whole seconds. Saying it's all relative is a cop-out, of course it's all relative, some maybe think Givenchy is moving and completely brilliant, while others (me) think it's repetitive and going nowhere. Yea, it was meaningful, moving and melancholy the first collection he showed, but now this is the...Third? And he's showing practically the same look, going nowhere, expanding on the same idea which was already expanded upon two couture seasons ago. Tisci is a brilliant technician, but designer? Im wondering. If he is a one-note Givenchy is doomed.

I also forgot to mention, I completely agree with him. I didnt see this rolling out of a white carpet at Chanel, but it sounds so vulgar. Just a complete lack of taste, so not Lagerfeld.
 
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I think Tisci is brilliant, and I think there is a slow progression to him redeveloping the Givenchy label. We shall see from his future collections what will become of the label...perhaps a jolt from LVMH will spawn more creavity, but for the moment I love it all.
 
justinleaddict said:
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It was most certainly not pointless... but that could be argued for pages and pages...


I believe this is where he went wrong... it is much more than that.


EXACTLY! The privilege of haute couture is also to bring fashion to its highest pinnacle, particularly about art, technique and materials. The judgement of beauty is such a subjective endeavour - subject to age, education, exposure, experience, background, taste, etc., who is he to be the supreme judge of what is beautiful and what isn't? Diana Vreeland he isn't...the best critics and editors also took risk to endorse innovative fashion. At the time of Dior's new look with the nipped waist and full skirt, the curve volumes of Balenciaga must have made women look shapeless and even "ugly" in comparison, but imagine if we didn't have Balenciaga, Courreges, etc. in fashion history!!

Elsewhere, his bias really showed when he complained about Tisci's gown dragging on the ground when quite a large number from Galliano's Dior collection did the same.
 
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I thought long and hard about the Givenchy couture identity. At its peak, it was exemplified by Audrey Hepburn in "Breakfast at Tiffany's", and the look was long, sleek, young and modern. It wasn't anything like Dior's "New Look" which was heavily conservative. Tisci cannot reproduce those Givenchy originals, he'll look as daft as Galliano, but some of the long, lean, black looks he presented would suit a modern Holly Golightly, a young, skinny woman with an indeterminate, melancholic past. And they were beautifully cut. It's just not possible to compare the heritage and "beauty" of Dior and Givenchy!
 
such a crap article.. they should respect every artists/designers.Some designers exaggerate,of course they must obtain somewhere inspiration.It's just possible to compare the heritage and "beauty" of Dior and Givenchy!
by innovation and not beeing ****** .. like he is.. not such a clear article..fashion needs to forward like never before.
 
I was just googling the old Dior couture and I was amazed how restraint, minimal and elegant the clothes were. It was rich, but not ostentacious, what great taste then! Even when they were lavish, eg. that huge white skirt, they weren't *loaded* with beads, frills, etc. like a sensory assault. Did they have better taste than us in the 50s? :( The more money they cost, the more the clothes have to be excessive? How can luxury be interpreted in a less obvious way? The commentary is interesting too, Dior was for socialite/housewives, and was considered extravagant for the (non-working) women of that time.

http://www.designmuseum.org/design/christian-dior

I think Tsci tried to do a new version of *the* black dress worn by Hepburn in "Breakfast", especially with the geometrically cut back and elongated arms and silhouette. I don't like the way he did it though, but it shows he does respect the Givenchy tradition. Those hats and the naval details, though,... :yuk:
 
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Fashion Today is a fantastic book. Colin McDowell is God. Word.
 
Those hats and the naval details, though,...
lol... "Marine" was his theme...^_^ but maybe it was a dramatic-audreyhepburn-on a boat...

i feel like somebody won't be invited to any show next season...:lol:

Things usually become a big circus at this house as evening falls and this season was no different, with very heavy glitzy gold and rather too many little patches of fur and feather which managed to look slightly scrofulous and worst of all half gloves of feathers which would be just like wearing a dead bird on your hand. Clearly something that every woman needs.

we don't need irony after such an article! that's so kid-ish!:doh:
take your lexomil and go to bed, grand'dad.
 
The only thing I agree with in this article is that Dior was a hard act to follow....I personally liked the other shows afterwards, they just weren't as memorable or moving as Galliano's.
 
well I've tried to translate it and read it properly, but it's strange coz it gives me the impression he has to blame the other designers to encense Dior, as if he has no other way to say he likes latest couture Dior show...
 
I havent seen the Givenchy show but I think a writer has a right to say "It's ugly", if he makes a clear reason what made he thinks so.

And I think he just mentioned the show, not the clothes.

"Couture is beautiful clothes for beautiful women", not really. I'd rather say fashion, not couture, which is, I think, about handmade clothes for rich women:-)) Beauty, as you all say, means different things for people.

It seems that the writer likes the "traditional show and traditional extravagance". We can agree with him, or not.

Btw I think Dior new look was beautiful right from the begining. It only became "ugly"(sorry!, impractical) when Chanel came back.
 
I appreciated the article. I agreed with him on Lacroix, it was just wrong, once again.

I thought he slated Tisci a little too much though, he's relatively inexperienced and needs to find his feet, he doesn't belong at Givenchy, imo.
 
PrinceOfCats said:
Fashion Today is a fantastic book. Colin McDowell is God. Word.

And because he is god we are all supposed to let him decide if we should like or not the work of so many people that are behind couture houses, pleople we (tFS-ers) admire!
BRAVO Mr. McDowell!! you achieved your goal of making us a bunch of deeply religious fashionistas(McDowellfashionOLOGY) influenced by Your Word, and making Times sell a lot more today.:angry:

i apply an Andy Warhol quote to what mr McDowell has writen about karl, ticci and lacroix: "Don't pay any attention to what they say about you, just measure it in inches"
 

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