fashionlov
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Frankly, that's what the old money/quiet luxury crowds chasing forSo dated looking. Can't believe this is what passes for "modern" fashion nowadays.
Yes, a lot of NYFW is still stuck in this Bonwit Teller mindset, but Bonwit Teller never claimed their designs as their own creations.In the past american brands would pay french couture houses for rights to replicate their designs and then sell them. This is exactly how this collection feels.
This is so true. This collection had a stronger sense, but he usually lacks that. I do feel, there is some asian culture components that speak to this; because a lot of Asian's (Joseph himself is French-Chinese) are constantly aspiring to identities of others to fit in, whether fitting into American ideals or Euro-centric ideals.He's such a peculiar case, because he is more skilled technically than a lot of other designers of his generation, he just has no perspective. I sometimes wonder how he'd have fared as creative director of another brand—something with a substantial archive for him to work with.
Yes to everything except Peter Do, he was awful at Helmut Lang, supre pretentious and overrated to begin with (just because he worked under phoebe for a short stint)This is so true. This collection had a stronger sense, but he usually lacks that. I do feel, there is some asian culture components that speak to this; because a lot of Asian's (Joseph himself is French-Chinese) are constantly aspiring to identities of others to fit in, whether fitting into American ideals or Euro-centric ideals.
Not sure if those who are non-asian would understand this, but it's important to speak up about this. (As an Asian-American, you would only truly understand this being mixed and/or being of Asian culture) I think a lot of the "New Asian" designers as they once called them in New York have long suffered that same dilemma of lacking perspective- it's across the board. Jason Wu, Peter Som, Parabal Gurung and Joseph Altuzarra- think about it, they all debuted around similar times but they all collectively have seemingly chased the American ideals of fashion, not always bringing a true and unique perspective that speaks directly to their design identity, despite having namesake labels. Even Peter Do, who had the most unique design perspective of the Asian-American designers in recent years didn't stay long at Helmut Lang.
Vera Wang is obviously the Queen, as far as Asian-American fashion dominance. But she's a female and has a storied history in New York City. Just pointing out the link to what you mentioned @fruitdots - your thoughts really perfectly stated it.
Such a lack of perspective. Great reflection.
And some of these designers (Altuzarra, Jason Wu, and I'd add Alexander Wang) come from pretty substantial wealth, so their work has been bankrolled by family money. I imagine that adds both pressure (to make good on the investment, etc.) and prevents them from taking risks (it's a safer bet to follow the trends of the market).This is so true. This collection had a stronger sense, but he usually lacks that. I do feel, there is some asian culture components that speak to this; because a lot of Asian's (Joseph himself is French-Chinese) are constantly aspiring to identities of others to fit in, whether fitting into American ideals or Euro-centric ideals.
Not sure if those who are non-asian would understand this, but it's important to speak up about this. (As an Asian-American, you would only truly understand this being mixed and/or being of Asian culture) I think a lot of the "New Asian" designers as they once called them in New York have long suffered that same dilemma of lacking perspective- it's across the board. Jason Wu, Peter Som, Parabal Gurung and Joseph Altuzarra- think about it, they all debuted around similar times but they all collectively have seemingly chased the American ideals of fashion, not always bringing a true and unique perspective that speaks directly to their design identity, despite having namesake labels. Even Peter Do, who had the most unique design perspective of the Asian-American designers in recent years didn't stay long at Helmut Lang.
Vera Wang is obviously the Queen, as far as Asian-American fashion dominance. But she's a female and has a storied history in New York City. Just pointing out the link to what you mentioned @fruitdots - your thoughts really perfectly stated it.
Such a lack of perspective. Great reflection.