Anne Geddes - Photographer

visconti said:
I'm not great fan of babies anyway

Hi Visconti, you add an interesting perspective to this. I dislike these photos too. I'm just wondering...as you seem like a person who may be able to explain this well...why is it that many men (some women too of course) say they don't like babies? I find it hard to understand why we're allowed to roll our eyes in agreement when people say they don't like babies, whereas all hell breaks loose when people say they don't like women, or black people, or elderly people or foreigners? I'm sincerely curious; to me it seems suspiciously like yet another case of discrimination against a group of people powerless to speak out for themselves...or maybe it's jealousy... :innocent:
 
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Her pictures are so kitsch & over-the-top. They make me sick. But I think you have to be a woman and/or to adore babies to like her work. ^_^
 
Melisande said:
Hi Visconti, you add an interesting perspective to this. I dislike these photos too. I'm just wondering...as you seem like a person who may be able to explain this well...why is it that many men (some women too of course) say they don't like babies? I find it hard to understand why we're allowed to roll our eyes in agreement when people say they don't like babies, whereas all hell breaks loose when people say they don't like women, or black people, or elderly people or foreigners? I'm sincerely curious; to me it seems suspiciously like yet another case of discrimination against a group of people powerless to speak out for themselves...or maybe it's jealousy... :innocent:

Good point, this can become a very interesting conversation.
 
Sorry. I forgot to check back with this thread.

It IS a tricky issue and very difficult to explain without sounding completely obnoxious or getting incredibly personal, but I'll give it a shot.

I lost my desire to have children at a very early age because of my younger brother. He has Aspergers among other disorders and his birth turned my family upside down. I was almost four when he was born, so I have some memories (and a lot of supplemental stories from my mother) of those days. Constant tantrums. Screaming and crying. Things got far worse from there, but that doesn't relate to Geddes. Obviously the birth of any child presents difficulties, but apart from my parents discussing how I was a pleasant infant, I've never had personal experience with "good babies". It isn't guaranteed that a child of mine would share my brother's issues, but there's a chance, so again, it diminishes their appeal.

There's also the fear that if I had a child, I'd have to change my lifestyle entirely. At this point, in my mid-20s, I can't imagine giving up things like foreign travel in order to accomodate a child's needs. Maybe this'd change if I were in a serious relationship, but I've found that many ladies in my soon-to-be profession would rather focus on working for judges or big firms than be a stay at home mother, so I may be able to have a wonderful relationship without this issue arising.

These concerns were heightened by watching one of my best friends' life fall apart around her because of a pregnancy.

Again, as I get older, maybe my priorities will change.

It's also just the fact that babies and small children can be used so manipulatively in Geddes-esque photos and films. I'm tired of being expected to find certain things "cute" or more worthy of tears just because they involve children. I'm not sure how to explain it, but almost everyone has seen movies with awful child actors. They take you out of the story because they can hardly recite their lines, but on your way out of the theatre, you'll overhear someone raving about how precious they were. Geddes photography seems to try for that reaction. Since it is so proflic (or at least WAS. I haven't paid attention recently) my dislike for it tarnishes my appreciation of real babies.

This all probably sounds absolutely cold hearted, but I don't mean it to be. I can guarantee if I were exposed to a friend or family member's newborn I'd feel differently, but without an actual connection to the infant, I have trouble getting past my discomfort. Therefore, although I'm not a fan of "babies" in the general sense, but could definitely care about a specific baby.

If it's of any consequence, I do :heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart: kittens.
 
Visconti, thank you so much for your honest and enlightening account. I really appreciate it. And I can totally understand where you're coming from, thanks for sharing about your childhood and brother. It must have been hard... In fact, I love babies (usually:ninja:) and yet can really relate to everything you said.

I presume that your view is in fact representative of the general outlook of those who say they don't care too much for babies. I guess they are really saying a)that they don't want to have children of their own (which to me is a completely different ballpark from disliking children) and b) they don't have much experience relating to infants and therefore find them puzzling and uncomfortable (but then it can be uncomfortable to be with someone from a totally different culture, we just don't say we dislike them... )

I also totally am with you in that more *aesthetic discernment* is necessary where going gaga over something remotely child-related is concerned. Like this-here photographer, and certain child actors in Hollywood and on TV. :rolleyes:

I don't know; I've heard so many people tell me all my life that their kids are the best thing that ever happened to them, hardships and all. I don't think you're cold hearted at all. I really wonder how you'd feel when you succeed in making a baby laugh in your arms, though:wink: ! I feel so comfortable with kids because they're often some of the most free, intelligent, and joyous human beings around. I find we can learn a lot from them. Actually, I just wish more people would realize that children are human beings too (no more no less.)
 
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