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Christian Dior F/W 2015.16 Paris

I would hardly call him a "small menswear designer". And are we really questioning why he took the job? Who wouldn't want to be the designer of Dior?

By "small menswear designer", I was referring to his very old menswear line, pre-Jil, that wasn't worn by everybody, that wasn't sold everywhere, and that wasn't featured in every magazine. Sounds pretty "small" to me.
 
It's not horrible by any means but where is the love? This collection could have been designed by anybody, even an amateur. His collections have been discontiguous since he's arrived at the house. I constantly find myself asking who the Dior woman is. He's been plagued by underdeveloped ideas, shameful construction, and a questionable taste for color. Maybe it really is time for him to move on.
 
I really loved the makeup and hair for this collection and it was one of the better Dior collection by Raf for me. Thought the suits and metal (I think?) dresses were nice but hated that ugly print that was in the couture collection and the random green coat.
 
A few of the dresses and costs are fabulous but don't like everything else sadly.
 
^ me neither. i liked his work under his own line, but since he's been with dior, he's floundered imo. some of the tailoring and outwear are nice. other than that, very very meh.
 
A pretty good collection from Raf. Not his best for Dior. I actually much prefer his Pre-Fall '15. This continues his theme of regurgitating the couture shows for RTW. Like the boots and prints and overall color palette.
Still not unwearable or bad, though. I'd take any of the coats. :angel:
 
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I've given up on Simons at Dior. At this point I don't ever expect him to get around to do anything decent for the house. I've strongly disliked every collection since his debut. Still cannot fathom how the sales are doing with these collections but Arnault is still keeping Raf around.
 
Hmmm, I'm torn about this to be quite honest. There were some looks that I loved and like (though still not that good enough to make me jump off of my seat), but there were quite a lot of looks that felt really disappointing. The jumpsuits are a big no. The print, likewise, is the biggest no of the collection. I see 60s mod moment with a modern twist. To be honest, I think this would look superb on 60s editorials, but mixed with other labels in an editorial, it'll fall into the background. It's verging on forgettable. On a lighter note, the hair is a killer.

With that said, I still saw some touch of Dior, but in a "lost-in-translation" kind of way. Like Raf wanting to execute the Dior look, but then added his own twist that lead to the collection losing it's way. I have no problem with designers adding their own touch to the house, but the thing is it verges on being too much that the collection loses the identity of the house. If I didn't know that this was a Dior collection, I'd simply find it hard to identify this collection amongst the rest of the season's collections unlike Dolce, Fendi, Prada ++ (despite how repetitive they sometimes get).

I also agree with the above post (previous page) that fashion houses are skewing young. I am not against that idea. Who doesn't want our favorite houses to adapt to the times right? But, what bothers me is that as they skewed younger, agreeing with Nymphaea, the excellence, creativity and brilliance faded and got lost. Maybe that's a strong conclusion but that's how it really feels to me right now.
 
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I don't like it. At all. He said that he discovered that he can build a rtw collection based on previous couture collection. He thinks it's fantastic, to me it's just Raf's laziness. I just don't get it since even those shoes were actually shown before. You can't show a silhouette twice if it's boring and awful enough because it won't make it better. Just look at those jumpsuits. He's such a sick fit at Dior, because his inspirations could be even interesting, but at the same time he can't do anything with them. And IMHO he's wasting his great atelier.
I got bored when I was watching videos of this show. And I don't feel any spirit of Dior from this. It would look better at Jil Sander or Raf Simons' own brand, but not here. It hasn't been working. The new Dior woman seems to be cold as an ice and boring as that music from a lift. Or a random Dior show.
Some coats were good, but they're so basic and you can buy it everywhere. Those p*rn-boots made of PVC were awful and uncomfortable. Those collar-necklaces are so dated. Nothing's strong enough to save this collection.
 
I like a lot of pieces of this show, i like the aggressivity of this colection. Part femme fatale, part bussines woman of a new era.

Im so thankfull for Dior hiring Simons, for introduced to me this man. I was SO tired of Galliano and his over the top take. All that excessive drama, gliter and LOOK AT ME. It started to look very Project Runway challenge, "make a dress out all the items in this hotel room"!

One of the things i hate the most, is when non-fashion-interested people see fashion as a circus mess, a lot of friends see something to crazy and thinks "oh youll like this, is SO fashion, so avant garde".

As i get older, im 27, ive found a new taste. More refine, more elegant, luxory without the "im wearing all i can". The cuts, the fabrics, the shapes, Raf knows a thing or two about shapes... This new Dior is so fresh, so cotoure tecnics meets RTW!

PS: I want to see those boots in every single edit for next fall, IN LOVE!
 
I've loved him since spring 2008 Jil Sander, when I first got into fashion, but I've been so uninterested in his collections for Dior with the exceptions of a few looks that I've come to the conclusion that I just don't care for his Dior aesthetic. At least I still love his menswear collections, especially this season's, so there's always that...
 
I've loved him since spring 2008 Jil Sander, when I first got into fashion, but I've been so uninterested in his collections for Dior with the exceptions of a few looks that I've come to the conclusion that I just don't care for his Dior aesthetic. At least I still love his menswear collections, especially this season's, so there's always that...

This! Same here.
 
This! Same here.

I'll never forget that collection (and many of his other Jil Sander collections), but don't even ask me which look belongs in which collection when it comes to Dior. I don't even really care to remember, because something similar/something just as unexciting is going to pop up next season anyway. And to base a RTW season off a (badly made) couture season isn't that great of an idea if the collections are already starting to look redundant. I'm being too critical, but I wish he could just get his own brand or design for a brand with fewer constraints.
 
And are his HC and RTW seasons going to continue to be so similar and blend in with each other? It feels a tad... lazy.[/QUOTE]

seems such a strange thing to do.. why would anybody buy a couture dress when a very similar dress is available barely a month later for a fraction of the price?
 
Actually John Galliano was known for designing every single one of his Dior RTW collections based on the previous HC. Sometimes he even replicated single garments or accessories without any changes from HC to RTW... I believe there would be no other way to do it at a brand like Dior where designers have to come up with so many presentable collections each year. Designers are humans, and it's not possible to keep so many concepts/inspirations in mind at the same time, even if they had a big team working with them...
 
And are his HC and RTW seasons going to continue to be so similar and blend in with each other? It feels a tad... lazy.
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It kind of makes sense for a new designer aiming to create a new voice for an established house. I will admit, I do not like this collection, but I don't see any harm in him creating continuity between the collections. Some on this thread have expressed that they are left wondering who the new Dior woman is. I would think that the continuity would create a more clear vision of the new Dior woman, imagined through different prisms. Basically, I don't see the harm in it.
 

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