Comme des Garcons SHIRT

[AlexN]

I will never dress like this. I don't care what you're wearing now or ever. Those runway pictures display the kind of dull crap people around wear to go to the gym or sports practice or something. So I guess we're the height of fashion here. Oh my poor little blind eyes!!!! How can I ever accept new ideas in fashion as staggeringly brilliant as sweatpants and track jackets and logoed polo shirts and bags and plain white tennis shoes?

Edit: One more thing...living in NYC or Tokyo does not mean you know sh*t about fashion. Just look at the NYC style thread in Trend Spotting. Fashion morons and victims galore.

 

[nqth]

Haruki, your post is such rude and false-friendly. "Oh I give you dear some years and you poor provincial people can become where I am now."

It's the first such a post that I notice here in tFS. It is such a shame.

More respect for people please. Clothes are for people aren't they.

Alex, I also think that the looks are not "now" or new. The "stuffs" are more like likely for people who are not very interesting in fashion, but still want to have basic things with a "twist" in details, like the shirt with big collar....

 

[philip gentleman]

haruki - what about rural areas within big cities? i live in an industrial area of bushwick, a ghetto in brooklyn. the locals here still wear baggy pants, puffy jackets, and do-rags. your observation made me wonder if the locals are not on a tangential fashion trend, but are rather (at least) two years behind the city. it's only 10 stops on the L train from chelsea, but seems like a different planet...

 

[haruki]

Please allow me to explain myself this way. My way of understanding the world is to imagine a health club with a row of treadmills. The rotating belt of the various treadmills are painted all alike in a polka dot pattern changing along the belt in the colors of the rainbow. One person may be running at a high speed. The person next to them may be walking at a slow pace. Once in a while for a split second the polka dot colors may be in synce and the two neighbors understand, or see, as one. Further down the line two people may be jogging at the same rate, and they started at the same spot on the rainbow and they are 100% seeing as one. Today Philip Gentleman might be out of synce with his do-rag neighbors. Tomorrow he is walking together and might start wearing a do-rag himself. Then his do-rag neighbor might start running as fast as he can. Gentleman is still wearing a do-rag as he walks. Do-rag neighbor starts wearing a cowboy hat. That is what I am trying to explore. No offence was intended.

 

[droogist]

haruki - what about rural areas within big cities? i live in an industrial area of bushwick, a ghetto in brooklyn. the locals here still wear baggy pants, puffy jackets, and do-rags. your observation made me wonder if the locals are not on a tangential fashion trend, but are rather (at least) two years behind the city. it's only 10 stops on the L train from chelsea, but seems like a different planet...

Hey, I used to live there! Only I took the JMZ.

haruki, interesting analogy. But I think the mistake you made was is assuming that AlexN's on a slower treadmill just because he lives in Kansas City. (Btw, the "do-rag neighbors" will never start wearing cowboy hats. Never, ever. Not ever.)

 

[philip gentleman]

Hey, I used to live there! Only I took the JMZ.

how does the JMZ get you to bushwick? i missed the last train last night (the L does not run between 12:00 am and 5:00 am these days) and got stuck taking a $20 cab ride into the hood. $20 cab rides sicken me.

haruki - again, your observations are making me think. taking your thought processes to heart, i bought a puerto rican flag do-rag today on delancey street to rep for the puerto rican day parade this year. i only hope it does not get me beat up...

 

[droogist]

how does the JMZ get you to bushwick? i missed the last train last night (the L does not run between 12:00 am and 5:00 am these days) and got stuck taking a $20 cab ride into the hood. $20 cab rides sicken me.

Hey, you're lucky you got a cab to take you there at all, I can't tell you how many times I got into shouting matches with drivers the second the word "Bushwick" (or even "Brooklyn") passed my lips...the JMZ runs parallel to and several blocks to the south of the L. It's not always the cheeriest walk in between though.

 

[PrinceOfCats]

Alex, I also think that the looks are not "now" or new. The "stuffs" are more like likely for people who are not very interesting in fashion, but still want to have basic things with a "twist" in details, like the shirt with big collar

This seems like totally the opposite of what they are, but a lot of both Comme and Junya, esp menswear, seems to be solid modern design with the boat just edged a bit out into the pond. However, as Alex says, I think this time it's simply gone ugly...

 

[tott]

However, as Alex says, I think this time it's simply gone ugly...

You tell it like it is!

 

[nqth]

This seems like totally the opposite of what they are

I don't understand Prince. Did I say sth wrong?:-)



And my mistake, I meant for people who are not interested in fashion, who is following trends in fashion... Sorry (lol)

 

[PrinceOfCats]

I don't understand Prince. Did I say sth wrong?:-)

Ah, no. I've inverted my sentence order. Try putting that comment in brackets or regarding it as a clause. Sorry, made a bit of a pig's breakfast of that one.

 

[nqth]

OK:-)

People who is not interested in fashion is not following trends(correcting myself, lol)

 

[AlexN]

Haruki, while your treadmill analogy is interesting, it is a complete guessing game. You cannot simply use it to assume that because I live in a different city than you, I am behind you, which is what you did. Perhaps you should simply read people's posts and get to know them more. Who knows, if you came to my house and took a look inside my closet, you may find that my treadmill is whipping past yours. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. You don't know. And neither do I. Alright, well I'm off to put on some Carol Christian Poell and feed the cattle, plant the corn, clean the barn, and perhaps learn to read. Excuse me...

 

[Johnny]

Haruki, while your treadmill analogy is interesting, it is a complete guessing game. You cannot simply use it to assume that because I live in a different city than you, I am behind you, which is what you did. Perhaps you should simply read people's posts and get to know them more. Who knows, if you came to my house and took a look inside my closet, you may find that my treadmill is whipping past yours. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. You don't know. And neither do I. Alright, well I'm off to put on some Carol Christian Poell and feed the cattle, plant the corn, clean the barn, and perhaps learn to read. Excuse me...

LOL .

 

[Snow-White]

Well, being fashionable is also about being smart enough to know what you can carry off and what you cant ..!

 

[rach2jlc]

I've gone to school in Chicago and New York and I live near Tokyo. But, I was born, raised, and my parents and sister live in KENTUCKY... which I don't think anyone would rank highly on their list of fashion capitals.

In my experience, location has almost nothing to do with fashion sophistication or savvy. Some of the worst dressed people I've seen lived in Kentucky, alongside some of the best. Moving myself to Tokyo, New York, and Chicago really didn't change all that much. In fact, often it made it worse.

All that location affects is seasonal trendiness, which is nothing that I would really want to be a part of anyway. And the reason that it affects seasonal trendiness is twofold: 1)because there aren't as many large boutiques that stock the seasonal items and 2) many trends are (let's face it) pointless and stupid, but in cities like Tokyo and New York, there is a BIG crowd of "urbane" people saying a stupid trend is GREAT and SUPER and that you ought to buy it. So, buying it, you have "power in numbers." Outside of those numbers in "provincial" settings are simply people who aren't affected by critics and realize that a certain trend is stupid.

In terms of actual sophistication, it is obviously something inside a person (it is nothing new to say that). They know what they like and they know what is actually important in fashion and what is simply trendy and is going to disappear in a season or two. Nobody in Kentucky, me included, wore Hedi Slimane for YSL Rive Gauche when I was in high school in the late 1990's... but somehow I knew that what I was seeing in pictures was important.

In terms of this Comme collection, I think that many of us are just seeing the opposite... it isn't terribly important. It isn't BAD or anything... but it just isn't something that I think will be high on Kawakubo-san's list of achievements. Like AlexN said... it looks like gymclothes. I think that now, living in Tokyo. I probably would have thought it ten years ago, living in Kentucky.

Finally... Haruki... I don't see how you can say you meant no offense when you say something like "I've always been curious about this question because when I travel outside the major cities I see such unsophisticated outfits." Not to start (or perpetuate) an argument... but just my opinion.

y'all take care now...

John

 

[nqth]

The CdG x New Yorker T:-)

 

[Deleted member 7575]

Oh no. I didn't mean to be insulting to you. It seems to me that there is a real difference to the way people dress in the big cities and other places and our eyes learn from our surroundings, at least I think they do. My cousin who lives in a rural area makes fun of my clothes, two years later he is dressing like me and I am on to something else.

Maybe where YOU are from that is the case. I am not sure how familiar you are with Kansas City but it is an artistically and commercially wealthy city with some of the best examples in progressive design in everything from architecture to product design. Fashion is not excluded. If you call Kansas City rural then it makes me think you have no idea what you are talking about. And seriously, most New Yorkers are NOT dressed fashionably so that is another ignorant generalization on your part.

Also I don't think you understood Alexn's actuall comment. It wasn't that he felt it was too progressive, it's that it was too simple. But who knows, if you are the shining example of progressive trends then I suppose in two years we will all have bad hair as well?

 

[Deleted member 7575]

But yeah, to stay on topic. I read an interview with Rei about how CDG Shirt began and she essentially said it was to increase sales and make more profit. Even the avante garde icons are not innocent of trying to make a little bit of money.

 

[Honey~Blade]

Avant garde or not, fashion is still a business. With more money there are more possibilities plus I'm thinking there are some ppl out there who are happy they can finally afford to buy some CdG pieces...even though alot of it is rather tacky. Still beats those dior homme shirts with the huge D logo imho.