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people forget clients like her love to be competitive and people in general love to one up each other when buying luxury goods and art and houses boats planes cars estates etc

it's the currency of never feeling good enough until i a have this or more than my next door neighbors :)
 
i dont think thats how it works when critique was released then, also the story was personal to homeless in paris and how he inspiration came about. courtney love worn the dress in that time as well and she was not canceled etc

but that those pieces sold today without drama is because the mass dont know of the auction and dont read the title of the dress and desitized overall audience.

also its an auction of a person not an brand /company so there is nothing much to object against.

the value of he piece like the others where because of the dior JG nostalgia and now more than recognizable dior era sure bit of controversy helped.

but well made clothes has nothing todo with surviving woke ness, being sensitive to less fortunate is not being woke is having compassion.

but fashion is provocation as well without it part of its purpose would be lost as well, its there to question boundaries and also empower people its a push and pull.

its how society works be happy people voice public outrage even if you don't agree, if not we would live in a fully censored society and it goes both ways also for things you would agree about.
right to protest is a basic human right to not be undervalued in our society.

love the courtney diy touch to it its iconic her in this dress is perfection.yet still i can understand the paris outrage then with homeless people in front of the dior store i remember the news piece of it on tv.

now we are used broken expensive balenciaga sneakers and hoodies also inspired a now cult famous homeless man Demna ripped off so many looks from, dont think the world got better for it either.

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Yes, Courtney Love wore it and wasn’t “canceled” because cancellation as we frame it today barely existed in that form and that’s part of the argument. The moral panic wasn’t some universal ethical reckoning, it was situational outrage, amplified by optics and proximity. Which is precisely why it aged the way it did.

Saying the pieces sell today because “the masses don’t know” or “don’t read the title” assumes the work only survives through ignorance, which feels kind of dismissive of both collectors and history. These garments are not obscure. The Galliano Dior era is probably one of the most dissected periods in modern fashion. People know about it but they just dont react the same way.

Also, compassion and provocation aren’t opposites. Galliano wasn’t mocking homelessness, he was exposing the fragility of luxury and how close it always is to ruin. He could see the "democratization" of fashion coming and bluring that line between taste, acess and luxury. That discomfort is the point, the same discomfort that we fell when we see Balenciaga destroyed sneakers being sold by a very high price. Calling that “insensitivity” flattens the work into a moral checklist, which fashion has never survived by following.

And yes, public outrage is a right. Im not against protest. But outrage doesn’t have to last forever. When it fades, it doesn’t mean society was silenced, it means people looked again and thought differently. Fashion history is full of things that caused scandals at the time and are now taught as references, not mistakes.

The irony is that we now accept ripped Balenciaga sneakers and fetishized “homeless aesthetics” without blinking, stripped of context, stripped of critique. Galliano’s work at least had his work had strength, authority, and a clear conceptual spine. If anything, the world didn’t get more sensitive. It just got more comfortable consuming the surface without the discomfort of meaning.

So no, craftsmanship alone doesn’t defeat “wokeness.” Coherence does. And that’s why the work remains.
 
Yes, Courtney Love wore it and wasn’t “canceled” because cancellation as we frame it today barely existed in that form and that’s part of the argument. The moral panic wasn’t some universal ethical reckoning, it was situational outrage, amplified by optics and proximity. Which is precisely why it aged the way it did.

Saying the pieces sell today because “the masses don’t know” or “don’t read the title” assumes the work only survives through ignorance, which feels kind of dismissive of both collectors and history. These garments are not obscure. The Galliano Dior era is probably one of the most dissected periods in modern fashion. People know about it but they just dont react the same way.

Also, compassion and provocation aren’t opposites. Galliano wasn’t mocking homelessness, he was exposing the fragility of luxury and how close it always is to ruin. He could see the "democratization" of fashion coming and bluring that line between taste, acess and luxury. That discomfort is the point, the same discomfort that we fell when we see Balenciaga destroyed sneakers being sold by a very high price. Calling that “insensitivity” flattens the work into a moral checklist, which fashion has never survived by following.

And yes, public outrage is a right. Im not against protest. But outrage doesn’t have to last forever. When it fades, it doesn’t mean society was silenced, it means people looked again and thought differently. Fashion history is full of things that caused scandals at the time and are now taught as references, not mistakes.

The irony is that we now accept ripped Balenciaga sneakers and fetishized “homeless aesthetics” without blinking, stripped of context, stripped of critique. Galliano’s work at least had his work had strength, authority, and a clear conceptual spine. If anything, the world didn’t get more sensitive. It just got more comfortable consuming the surface without the discomfort of meaning.

So no, craftsmanship alone doesn’t defeat “wokeness.” Coherence does. And that’s why the work remains.

Canceled tale is as old as time
People during that time also got canceled the term is only used now as slang but does not mean it did not excited back then and like John's dismissal from Dior was also pre cancel in woke terms era per example.
Society always as old as the bible talks about banishing, boycotting, or ostracizing a person or a group of people etc removing someone from society because whatever reason etc.

Selling power of Dior by JG
The piece sold because the person wanting it bought it for reasons we both don't know factually, but you relating it as some sort of victory of anti wokeness as a testament of the strength of the dress or the collection was filling in the blanks as an made up op ed piece against your personal feelings of the way cancel culture is a problem to you.
While i simply stated that the reasons for the high sale number was for more reasons and anti woke idea would play minor role in it as other collections of john sold as well for high price like the first Dior HC show dress of John that is the Masai dress.

Creative responsibility

Galliano´s intend (for which i know what his public press statement were at the time are clear to me* ) for the collection inspiration could have been well or ill intent that does not matter, as when you present a work even if artistic you're still dealing with the audience which in this case i one of a fashion luxury house, and one has to have also responsibility for the work if not well received as much as when praise is given.

In these case we are speaking of commerce a product that sells for lost of money (nit a movie not an art piece) and mimics the life and aesthetics of people that don't have anything and are looked down upon, you have to be brain dead to not see that there is friction in the concept and possible push back is natural.

When you are a provocateur you should also be prepared for the audience to not get it or be against it no matter your intend.
Good intent does not absolve humans from responsibility of the negative reaction or consequences of their good intended action.

*(John was running on the seine as part of his sober work out lifestyle and he would always see the homeless people and saw the poetry in that life bla bla etc )

Society
The outrage did not last forever because the many years of work that needed to be done to save his life and get better court dealings etc .
He is even back as guest at the Dior show and mentioned by the person who rightfully fired him as a great contributor to Dior´s legacy .
People just want people to take ownership of their wrong doing thats what its about, many people make comebacks after mistakes Hollywood is full of that.
Its not that society changes their mind on the wrong doing, its that the person that did wrong does better because they know better.

We can't live in a world where your not thinking of what your own actions can have as effect on others, and being offended is not being right either, but an intelligent person would take in account that saying whatever you like or doing whatever you like does not create an civilized society either.
That nauce is important.

Balenciaga and new times
Balenciaga homeless products styles also had some push backs/rage baiting, but more so that people laugh at how ridiculous it is and he did not present it as a homeless collection put embedded it in his overall dystopian internet aesthetics. so origin of idea is more hidden thus less or no backlash.

Vintage John Galliano
Work remains because its material, it lives on internet, its beautiful objects that again has nothing to do with the strength of the intend behind the work we have landfills full of trash plastics cheap products that also remains :)

Conclusion
The correlation to coherence is odd connection, there nothing logical or consistent about creativity or design or intend or its supposed survival.

But it's ok let's leave it at this because we are opening too many side doors lol
And its too much to fact check on a weekend with out one morning coffee yet in my system or a butter warm croissant.

xoxo
 
But it was not the original, right? The original must be in the archives. As far as I understood it’s a clients version.
Im not sure that all 6 looks were made for her. Because if I understand well the story, the collection wasn’t a commercial success. And Mouna Ayoub is also known to buy runway sample just to look at them.
The deep blue dress was slightly modified I think but I’m not sure the hand painted one was…

You would be surprised by how late some brands started to collect their archives but maybe she ordered the exact one from the show.

All those house keeps the drawings and patronage anyway for them to reproduce the designs.
 
In the video on the fifth slide, she says that she bought the entire Clochard collection… and that no one bought anything from that collection? Or is it just a way of saying that very few pieces were sold?


Yes she is not saying the entire truth.
She may have been the only one buying runway looks as they were but I’m sure clients bought adaptations of that.

I mean we saw to which extend the modifications of Galliano’s Couture have been diluted for some clients.

She knows that she probably had the worldwide exclusivity so nobody is going to come up claiming the opposite.

Mouna made her public persona about being a Lady Couture and her claim to fame has always been the « risk taker ». So it fits her narrative.
people forget clients like her love to be competitive and people in general love to one up each other when buying luxury goods and art and houses boats planes cars estates etc

it's the currency of never feeling good enough until i a have this or more than my next door neighbors :)
And Mouna more than the others has been very competitive because she knew that her influence actually had traction in the middle east.
She was the first one to do the « I bought the whole collection » thing and playing off the discretion of those houses knowing that she will be the only one parading in Cannes on the Redcarpet with the dress.
 
She is not in to exclusives, Lola
Just from that sale:
Eva's fw97 dress Wintour has
Fw97 Grey suit. Nancy Kissinger
Ss99: opening suit Saperstein has
Same look of the twins from other clients wardrobe also sold on auction
Veronica Hearst has painted statue dress
And black suit that sold for only 5200
Susan Newhouse has that chiffon fw99 dress
NGV Museum ordered Natalia's Clochards dress
Susan Newhouse has grey newspaper print dress
Saperstein has pants of Erin's fw 01 look

The only runway sample there was fw 01 patchwork coat
 
She is not in to exclusives, Lola
Just from that sale:
Eva's fw97 dress Wintour has
Fw97 Grey suit. Nancy Kissinger
Ss99: opening suit Saperstein has
Same look of the twins from other clients wardrobe also sold on auction
Veronica Hearst has painted statue dress
And black suit that sold for only 5200
Susan Newhouse has that chiffon fw99 dress
NGV Museum ordered Natalia's Clochards dress
Susan Newhouse has grey newspaper print dress
Saperstein has pants of Erin's fw 01 look

The only runway sample there was fw 01 patchwork coat
Not Mouna’s world crumbling.
We would say that she may had the exclusivity in the Middle East. Thank god Couture clients aren’t reading this thread ahahaha.

I wonder how those sales are appreciated in the Couture community though.
Because precisely, nobody has ever managed to have that many record breaking auctions off her collection: Chanel, Gaultier, Dior and years ago her RTW.

So what’s next? Her Birkin and Kelly? 🤣🤣
 
It is easy to check as it has crock skin details and pattern won't be identical.
Bundchen wore sample in US Vogue ed in December 1999 issue and pattern on pocket flaps is different. Same pattern is on Gettyimages runway photos. So Bundchen is in sample for sure. And Ayoub's is not.
She is narcissistic disorder person probably. Once again adds more value
 
i dont think thats how it works when critique was released then, also the story was personal to homeless in paris and how he inspiration came about. courtney love worn the dress in that time as well and she was not canceled etc

but that those pieces sold today without drama is because the mass dont know of the auction and dont read the title of the dress and desitized overall audience.

also its an auction of a person not an brand /company so there is nothing much to object against.

the value of he piece like the others where because of the dior JG nostalgia and now more than recognizable dior era sure bit of controversy helped.

but well made clothes has nothing todo with surviving woke ness, being sensitive to less fortunate is not being woke is having compassion.

but fashion is provocation as well without it part of its purpose would be lost as well, its there to question boundaries and also empower people its a push and pull.

its how society works be happy people voice public outrage even if you don't agree, if not we would live in a fully censored society and it goes both ways also for things you would agree about.
right to protest is a basic human right to not be undervalued in our society.

love the courtney diy touch to it its iconic her in this dress is perfection.yet still i can understand the paris outrage then with homeless people in front of the dior store i remember the news piece of it on tv.

now we are used broken expensive balenciaga sneakers and hoodies also inspired a now cult famous homeless man Demna ripped off so many looks from, dont think the world got better for it either.

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That dress in Courtney Love looks so funny! She looks like she was fighting with Madonna before the photocall...
 

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