new couture nominees for the future

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i am starting a new thread for you guys to make a recommendation for young/new designers you think could try thier hand a couture.

the criteria is:
(1) they must be really creative designers
(2) they must have technical knowledge of cut ,fit and garment construction.
(3) must already be in business.
none of your no name still in fashion school friend please, there day will come, its just not here yet

my nominees are
olivier theyskens
tess giberson
benjamin cho
patrik rzepski (maybe, i need to see little bit more from him first)
zam barrett
bruno peiters
you can also nominate people already on this list.
 
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Alexander Mcqueen.......i don't know if he did couture when he was at Givenchy, but i would definetly wanna see him do it for his own line
 
mcqueen did actually do couture for givenchy (the collections are available on firstview)
also tom ford had promised that mcqueen was going to do couture under his own name, i dont know the status of that now as ford is no longer with gucci.
 
ok.....this might sound stupid....primarily because im male and not in the fashion industry and im young....lol...but.....what qualifies a collection for a couture??? and even more stupid....what is couture???:flower:
 
dragonlance said:
ok.....this might sound stupid....primarily because im male and not in the fashion industry and im young....lol...but.....what qualifies a collection for a couture??? and even more stupid....what is couture???:flower:

couture is the short for haute couture, high fashion in english, couture is when designers create a collection of hand made, exclusive garments, it doesn´t have to be necesarily an evening dress but the thing is that it has to be done to perfection and they are custome made for each cliente, there fore is extremely expensive, and now there are about 250 women in the world that buy famous designers couture creations, such as valentino, chanel, dior, lacroix, gaultier, givenchy and so on, they also have the ready to wear collections, and accesories lines, because due to its hefty price tags, couture are no longer profitable for most couture houses, for example, for versace, their atelier line represents only 1% on the total of their annual income, and because of that those collections are mainly to amaze the audience, also they are only presented in paris, there for foreign designers must finish and present the collections there...
 
zamb said:
mcqueen did actually do couture for givenchy (the collections are available on firstview)
also tom ford had promised that mcqueen was going to do couture under his own name, i dont know the status of that now as ford is no longer with gucci.

during the presentation on fashion file of mcqueen´s summer 2003 rtw collection, they said that he makes around 30 couture creations for special clients each season... but at that time tom ford was still there, so who knows :blink:, but i think that if he continues having orders, why not to keep on doing them right?
 
there are strict rules in order to be considered couture. You have to have a working staff of at least 20, show on a runway twice a year, etc. etc. You are also forbidden to use conventional techniques that are ok for pret a porte which forces Ateliers to innovate.

My nominations would be...

Nicholas Ghesquire
Junya Watanabe
Hussein Chalayan
Hedi Slimane
 
Nicolas Ghesquiere @ Balenciaga (his Balenciaga collections are almost there)
Olivier Theyskens @ Rochas (that would be a sight)
McQueen (I would sell my parents car to buy McQueen Couture)
Comme Des Garcons (that would be extraordinary)
Prada (as much as I hate Prada, they would be pretty good at Couture)
Fendi (though I dont want to encourge more of Lagerfelds Flights of Fendi)
 
Here are McQueen's couture like pieces in his RTW collection (S/S 2003)


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From FW 2004

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I'd love to see a full Haute Couture collection by McQueen
 
You have to have a working staff of at least 20, show on a runway twice a year, etc. etc. You are also forbidden to use conventional techniques that are ok for pret a porte which forces Ateliers to innovate.

Just out of curiosity, what are some of the forbidden techniques? I think I read that zippers are not allowed in couture? Does anyone know where I can find a complete description of the couture "rules?" I've googled and googled to no avail.

Thanks so much and sorry for being off topic. :flower:
 
i dont know if you can find on the internet, a set of rules that govern haute couture, maybe you would have to contact the chambre syndecale for such a list. I don't believe that zippers are forbidden as i have seen couture garments with zippers (although they were handstitched). also, as a person who knows about sewing i am convinced that sewing machines are used in certain areas of these garments. one thing i know though, i will present a collection of partially hand made garments during the couture week in paris, whether it will be well recieved by the press and the governing authorities i dont know............at least i will be able to add it to my list of personal accomplishments.
 
siamit said:
Just out of curiosity, what are some of the forbidden techniques? I think I read that zippers are not allowed in couture? Does anyone know where I can find a complete description of the couture "rules?" I've googled and googled to no avail.

Thanks so much and sorry for being off topic. :flower:

I don't know much of them but I know zippers are not allowed and you are not allowed to use a sewing machine on anything other then a basic straight stich.

I don't know if these are rules but certain techniques are standared in the creation of couture. Complex stiches, seams, hems..etc are often used. Most couture dresses don't have lining so the consturction and finishing techniques must not leave any unslightly details inside the garment.
 
siamit said:
Just out of curiosity, what are some of the forbidden techniques? I think I read that zippers are not allowed in couture? Does anyone know where I can find a complete description of the couture "rules?" I've googled and googled to no avail.

Thanks so much and sorry for being off topic. :flower:
Zippers are definately a no-no, that's why in couture there are many corseted dresses or sheath dresses.
- Not 20 seamstresses it's at least 50 in an Atelier.
- There should be a collection of half daywear, half eveningwear.
- I thought sewing machines were 100% no.
- No fabricated buttons, all should be handmade and finished.
- Each piece from the collection should have at least 3 fittings, this is why in some Couture shows (Dior, Gaultier, Chanel) there is one look per model.
- When boning is used it has to be of whale bone.
- When bustles are made they have to be of horsehair.


Most designers break these rules, because the Chambre cant afford to lose any Couturiers. Gaultier, Dior, and Chanel follow these rules pretty well.
 
i am 100% sure that zippers are used. i have seen couture garments with zippers, chech out the chanel exhibition at the met and you will see, also in new york at barneys they have a couture section (they sell vintage couture garments they bought from old couture clients of past seasons), gaultier collections always have zippers even if its used as a decorative detail.
i am also sure they do use a sewing machine in some areas, even if it is for straight stitching. it would be really nice though for us to get a list of the rules, then we would have a clearer understanding.also they do use linings in the garments
 
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I just checked this handbook on couture sewings and zippers ARE used. It's that there are strict rules on how it is applied rather.

I know they do use lining but it's something that is avoided because it creates clout and unwanted volume.

And machines are allowed but just on straight stiches that have to be done on them.

some rules I know for sure (as of 1993)

-must be made for private clients and involve one or more fittings
-must have a workroom in paris with at least 20 full time workers
-present a colllection twice yearly.
 
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JUST THOGHT THIS ARTICLE MIGHT HELP THE DISCUSSION

FASHION'S FAVOURITE
Mar 4th 2004

Which centre takes the crown?

"THE French really believe in fashion," says Patrick McCarthy, the
editor of America's WOMEN'S WEAR DAILY, in his Manhattan office. He has
a good word for the Italians too: "They're much more in the American
mould, seeing fashion as a business." And the British? Oh dear, not
even Norman Hartnell, dressmaker to the queen, made any real money.
Britain, says Mr McCarthy with a rueful smile, "just didn't have the
infrastructure and the belief in fashion"; its great textile companies,
such as Courtaulds and ICI, "never supported fashion".

The London of the swinging 60s, when Mary Quant celebrated the
miniskirt and the Beatles bought their clothes in Carnaby Street,
flattered to deceive. Britain's fashion schools still produce a
disproportionately large share of the world's most talented designers
but, witness today's stars such as John Galliano or Alexander McQueen,
all too often they must go to Paris to prosper.

This helps explain why the upper reaches of the fashion industry today
have only three centres of power: Paris, Milan and New York. Paris
represents the tradition of HAUTE COUTURE ("high sewing", ie, custom
dressmaking) and its PReT-a-PORTER (ready-to-wear) offspring; Milan
reflects generations of northern Italian craftsmanship, especially in
textiles, shoes and leatherwear; and New York represents casual
smartness and a century of powerful retailers such as Saks Fifth
Avenue, Barneys and Bergdorf Goodman.

But power is not equally divided among these three cities. With due
deference to Giorgio Armani in Milan or Ralph Lauren in New York, the
true capital of fashion is undoubtedly Paris. It is home to the most
famous brands, such as Chanel, Dior and Hermes. It is the headquarters
of the biggest fashion conglomerate, LVMH, controlled by Bernard
Arnault, and the home of his rival, Francois Pinault, who controls the
third-biggest conglomerate, the Gucci Group. And it has the greatest
concentration of creative talent, most of it foreign, thanks to the
stifling rigidity of the French educational system. What happens in
Paris reverberates around the world.

The reason is both history and design. In 1858 Napoleon III, wanting
nothing but the best for his wife, Empress Eugenie, asked Charles
Frederick Worth, an English dressmaker who had become a big hit in
Paris, to design her wardrobe. One royal commission led to many others,
right across Europe, and then to cheaper copies of Worth's creations.
To protect what would now be called his intellectual property, Worth in
1868 founded the Chambre Syndicale de la Haute Couture to promote and
market Parisian tailoring.

Just over a century later, in 1973, the chamber was joined by two new
organisations: the Chambre Syndicale du Pret-a-Porter des Couturiers et
des Createurs de Mode, representing ready-to-wear, and for menswear the
Chambre Syndicale de la Mode Masculine. Together they make up the
Federation Francaise de la Couture, du Pret-a-Porter des Couturiers et
des Createurs de Mode, the organisation that sets the fashion
calendar--and sets the rules. No fashion house can qualify as HAUTE
COUTURE, for example, unless it employs at least 20 people in its
workshop and presents a minimum of 50 designs at the twice-yearly Paris
collections (the spring/summer shows take place in January; the
autumn/winter ones in July).

What is the point of top-end fashion? An HAUTE COUTURE dress, which may
involve 700 hours of painstaking labour, can cost more than $100,000.
Not surprisingly, the customers for HAUTE COUTURE have dwindled to at
most 2,000 women around the world (their names kept discreetly private
by the fashion houses). At this January's HAUTE COUTURE collection for
spring and summer, only 20 designers put their creative talents to the
catwalk test.

For each of them, this involved a frighteningly intense period of
preparation. First comes the idea, then the sketching, then the draping
of white toile (muslin), first over a mannequin and later over a live
model, and finally the cutting of samples on a pattern that translates
the temporary magic of the toile into a permanent garment in the fabric
and colours of the designer's choice. Everything is done by hand, from
draping and pinning the toile to stitching perfect seams, and all of it
requires complex skills. The draping is an art in itself ("sculpting
with fabric", in the words of Sue Jenkyn Jones, who teaches at London's
Central Saint Martins College of Art and Design). The sewing is a craft
that has to be much practised to be perfect, which is why the house of
Dior so values the PETITES MAINS ("little hands") who toil away in the
studio above the Paris flagship store on Avenue Montaigne.

CHEAP AT THE PRICE
The commercial point of it all is that HAUTE COUTURE is every
traditional fashion house's loss-leader. It creates and sustains the
aura of the brand, and so persuades someone who would never dream of
paying $20,000 for a hand-made, custom-fitted dress to pay $2,000 for
an off-the-peg dress with the same label--or $500 for the fashion
house's shoes, or $50 for its fragrance.

However expensive and exaggerated the runway show, the publicity it
generates works out cheaper and more effective than spending $80,000 a
page on advertisements in the glossy fashion magazines. One New York
consultancy, the Right Angle Group, calculates that a 20-minute runway
show, which could cost up to $500,000, will generate editorial coverage
worth $7m in American fashion magazines alone. No wonder Messrs
Galliano, Gaultier and McQueen are so keen to give the media something
to play with. The fact that the clothes may not be wearable is
irrelevant: the idea is to create a buzz.

The French authorities have always understood this. State-owned
television channels compete with private-sector stations to flatter the
fashion houses; subsidies are available to encourage couturiers to use
French fabrics; and designers are able to show their runway collections
in state-owned buildings, notably the Louvre museum, where the
government in 1989 financed the construction of a salon that
encompasses four halls and has room for 4,000 people.

Although free-market purists might object, to most people in the
fashion industry this supportive policy seems perfectly rational.
Pascal Morand, director of the Institut Francais de la Mode, notes that
France's fashion and luxury-goods industry, as defined by government
statisticians, represents some 2,000 firms, 200,000 jobs and 5% of
total industrial production. Include the textile industry, with 60,000
employees, plus packaging and bottling firms, and the share of
industrial activity rises to 8%. Then count in things like advertising,
graphic design, showroom management, video production and media
coverage, and it all begins to add up to real economic weight. Note,
too, that much of the industry's output is exported.

The problem for those in power is, of course, to retain that power. Can
Paris, for all its assets, continue to dominate? Designers come and go,
but what if Messrs Arnault and Pinault were to leave and their empires
were to fragment? As for Milan, what will happen when Giorgio Armani,
now 69, leaves the scene? And how will the northern Italian mills that
supply Mr Armani with such beautiful fabrics survive against the
growing Asian competition? Perhaps New York, with its huge domestic
market and a new burst of creative talent, will become fashion's centre
in the decades to come. Meanwhile, the challenge for everyone is to
sell: after all, fashion is a business.
 
Can We Get Some More Names Of People You Would Like To See Do Couture Please, And Remember The Criteria Posted And The Beginning Of The Thread, Thanks. Zb
 
a new future for haute couture

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[font=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Despite Ungaro Departure, Couture Still Healthy Says Grumbach[/font]

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[font=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Fashion Wire DailyMay 13, 2004 - Paris - Anyone who thinks the Paris haute couture is in a terminal state of decline should have a chat with Didier Grumbach.

To hear Grumbach, president of the Chambre Syndicale, the governing body of French fashion, couture, the most exclusive form of fashion available anywhere, has a long life ahead of it.

Though disappointed by the decision of Emanuel Ungaro and the house Versace not to stage couture shows this July, Grumbach noted that between the official On calendar and unofficial Off listing, there will be nearly 40 shows in the upcoming Fall/Winter season. It runs from July 6 to 9.

"That shows that there is an interest, and that Paris continues to attract luxury designers to show couture here," he insisted.

"What is important is not who stops but that houses want to maintain the savoir faire of couture. We knew Ungaro was planning not to show. But we also noticed that Ungaro plans to keep its couture atelier. That means that they recognize that this is the center of creativity, their laboratory of ideas," argued Grumbach.

Ungaro informed the Chambre back in April 22 of its decision, but Grumbach stressed all the remaining couture members of the Chambre are determined to continue. "Versace hesitated Ã? they only called me yesterday," he added.

"Dior and Chanel are completely resolved to go on with couture. One reason is that no couture house that stopped doing couture has ever gained anything from it. Nobody thinks it was a good idea with hindsight. Because couture gives a house unique visibility. It can make a brand timeless," he argued.

The Chambre president also waved aside recent comments by Pierre Berge, the long-time partner of Yves Saint Laurent, that couture would die away with Yves. YSL pulled out of couture when Saint Laurent retired three years ago.

"ItÕs crazy to say it wonÕt last. Anyone who says haute couture is dead is totally wrong!" said Grumbach, citing Jean-Paul Gaultier, Viktor & Rolf and Anne Valerie Hash as important new talents to have entered couture in recent years.

"WhatÕs important is that you have new couturiers. Up to 2001 it was impossible to enter couture. The rules were so strict that to open a collection would drive you bankrupt," said Grumbach, referring to former complicated rules about number of employees, models and salon size.

"We realized that and that is why we loosened regulations in 2001. Haute Couture has too moved with the times. Viktor & Rolf have switched to the ready-to-wear season. They should have stayed in couture; thatÕs where they belong. But other names are moving into couture each season," stressed Grumbach.

He noted that several new designers would debut in couture in July, thanks to being sponsored by established houses. Christian Dior President Sidney Toledano sponsored Stephanie Coudert to get on calendar this year, while Christian Lacroix sponsored On Aura Tout Vu.

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a few of the nominees have been scaling down, such as junya watanabe, and hussein chalayan. i agree, it would be amazing to test their range, but a big part of what makes them innovative is the balance of restraint and wearability = innovation. lanvin is a sensible choice, but he also has the rare gift of turning out beautiful simple, chic dresses. the dresses constructed w/ the absence of seams comes to mind.
 
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