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Telfar S/S 08 New York : the Seedy Underbelly of New York Fashion?

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from: Josh Patner
Is This the Seedy Underbelly of New York Fashion?

Posted Wednesday, Feb. 6, 2008, at 2:43 PM ET
Telfar's spring collection
Sunday night, while fashion's powerbrokers were on their way to Diane von Furstenberg's post-show dinner at her Meatpacking District headquarters, a 22-year-old designer named Telfar, who has been in business for three years, showed his collection at St. Mark's Church in the East Village. It was a full house. Not a powerbroker in sight.


No free Evian (the "official water" of Mercedes-Benz Fashion Week, a term that refers to the show held in the Bryant Park tents) was distributed. There were no cushy banquettes like those temporarily installed at great cost in the Chelsea galleries used by Halston. Telfar's clothes—unisex uniforms with exaggerated proportions, referencing the late-'80s avant-garde—were made with care. The production—models with asymmetrical, neon-colored hairpieces marching through pools of light—was impeccable. This isn't exactly the seedy underbelly of New York Fashion Week, but when compared with the megabrands showing in Bryant Park, it can feel that way.


Is there an independent fashion vision to be found in New York? It's an important question. Fashion people are always looking for new talent "discovered" far from the central action, the hand-to-mouth designer who does what he can with what little he has. These hopefuls find different fates: An early John Galliano breakthrough show happened in a borrowed hotel particulier in Paris. Today, he is perhaps the biggest name in that city. Miguel Adrover thrilled New York with one of his very first shows, which included a coat made from Quentin Crisp's mattress. Adrover found it in the street, and now finds himself out of business.

Telfar is not well-known by the fashion establishment, but he does have some fashion cred, and fans at the show praised him for offering "a ray of hope in a monotonous city" and for playing with shape. The appeal of a show like this? "It's not about selling clothes," one fan said. "It's a different experience."


But anti-commercial doesn't necessarily mean good. Telfar offered a collection for 9-to-5 New Yorkers plowing through the daily grind. A few items were intriguing. Although the fashion outsider would roll his eyes at the thought of wearing a jersey jumpsuit on Wall Street, especially one that could also be worn by a woman, some of the pieces had a youthful elegance. For people who ask, "Who would wear that?" Telfar has an easy answer: He sells his collection to downtown groovesters at boutiques like Pixie Market and Oak. But some of his looks raised another, more difficult question: "Why would I buy that if I already own it?" The less extreme pieces shown looked like basics from American Apparel.


As the models began to trot, questions kept rising: Why do people respond to one basic black turtleneck and not another? How does a new name get known? How much time should a young designer be given to find his own vocabulary or to make something new from what has gone before him?
And, most importantly, when does "referencing" another designer's work go too far? Here was a veritable inventory of avant-garde clichés: The ugly-can-be-beautiful mood could be traced to Andre Walker, a brilliant American designer who used to show in Paris and has since consulted on Marc Jacobs' collections. The mannish, exaggerated silhouette was Yohji Yamamoto's. The neon hair was Rei Kawakubo's. Ragamuffin sweaters recalled Martin Margiella. The designer's layered references finally made sense—and gelled into something genuinely new—in a standout draped, gray-velour sweatshirt. It was Vionnet via Gaultier via Telfar.


Referencing, of course, is nothing new in fashion. What designer hasn't had a go at Chanel's cardigan jacket and little black dress? But if Telfar was going for a postmodern layering of easily identifiable imagery, he seemed to have no new ideas or new points to make. The retrospective might have been stronger had it been offered up in shocking color or eco-friendly fabrics. But Telfar was showing the same old wooly black.


Is this really New York's vanguard? Yes. And it will do in a pinch. No one in the audience seemed to care that the designs had all been seen before, and surely a 22-year-old designer deserves time to grow. "He's starting with what he knows," said Oak co-owner Louis Terline. "This is what fashion looked like when he was a kid." The truth is, New York is lucky to have Telfar, if only for the emotions he stirs. People want a renegade, even one who is less than fully charged.



slate.com
 
odd article..

does the designer himself say he is referencing all those designers?
 
I agree that it's a bit weird. :blink:

But, I was researching Telfar a bit after seeing a few of his designs at Oak, and I agree with the writer that the designs are so far heavily derivative. Interesting stuff nevertheless, although I'm not sure it's really capturing a coming moment in a way that would qualify it as "avant-garde." It almost has a nostalgic feeling for me....:unsure:

Here's a link to his website: telfar.net

thanks for the article, softie. :flower:
 
thanks for the link laika..

i have to admit...
i never heard of him before and i kind of hate it all...:ninja:

reminds me of trash n vaudeville...
TRIPP to be specific...
but tripp is the real deal and better, quite frankly...

:ermm:...

eeps!...
 
^I didn't think of Tripp, but you're right! :lol:

yeah, there's something a bit pretentious about the pics on the website--the air of someone taking themselves a little too seriously...:ninja:
 
oh my....it's just....horrid!! its just as you both have described. i don't see anything about this that is particularly refreshing.....it all looks so much like carbon copies. i can understand the influences but there are loads of designers,even the young talents,that have had the ability to be inspired by them,reinterpret into their own worlds,but not rip them off in such literal fashion,really.


and i can't really be sensitive to his cause either because he has done six collections already,not his first.....he should be evolving by now.
 
i think it's something that i've been impressed with in patrik rzepski. he was oft criticised in his first seasons but he's actually managed to evolve and mature in his work and he's doing some really interesting things now. and he certainly doesn't look like anybody else. as is gary graham and pleasure principal....to me those are the true originals of the underground in ny.
 
i've just finished looking at ss 08 and fw 08 .. and maybe i have not been around fashion long enough , because i don't have that feeling that it looks like some other designer's work
i can't really give credit to certain designers for specific 'looks' .. because it's like saying they invented it and no one else could come up with it on their own

for -styling- maybe yes ...it reminds u something else.. and i agree with laika on 'nostalgia.' also there is a sudden change in mood in btwn the 2 seasons in 2008 that sort of makes u think he is inconsistent ... but i think the taste in pattern cutting and mixing material is the same in both

maybe it's really the styling that puts ppl off
and also making it seem avant-garde
there are always ways to tone down looks, isn't there... this is at its extreme, much like miu miu was for fall this year imo. it's things that can be wearable styled in a way to make it 'avant-garde', just for presentation
 
ok :p i looked at ALL of the collections now lol
i didn't get the designers mentioned in the article...
i did see these quilted hands and deflated bumps that reminded me of CDG but then i remember reading the hands were something done by Schiaparelli..
and now that i read yohji y. is in the article, i guess i see it now too
so, i guess we can all say who these things reminds us of
make our own connections...
because we all have different eyes and see different things...

what i saw was a lot of Raf Simons and also Cosmic Wonder
and maybe something bruno pieters...
and yea something margiela but i don't really know his work..but there was something
and this kind of cyber fashion that's popular in the big cities
i find it's really these crazy journalist/magazine writers that are the culprits of how designers are viewed by the public :doh: what are their 'signatures', etc. i guess there are critics everywhere really
 
yeah,margiela did the hands too. he famously did these patchwork pieces made from recycled leather gloves. but to me that element isn't as literal as the overall look and style....and yes,the styling,mood and setting doesn't help. i mean that s/s 08,looked as if it came straight from a recycled margiela look-book. complete with inge grognard-style make-up and hair.

i don't like looking at a designers work and see nothing but references. it clouds a designer's individual vision. and it makes me wonder,what exactly this guy has to say?
 

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