Vionnet label to be relaunched

[Scott]

Martin Grant?

 

[Meg]

I would need to see more pictures and understand vionnet better before making a decision as to who would be the best designer for them. I think ultimately it's about who can best embody the wishes and goals and aspirations of the original designer and showcase that while moving the collection forward, which is quite difficult to do. So yes, need to see more before making an accurate decision

 

[tiffany]

Originally posted by Meg@Dec 4 2004, 02:23 AM
I would need to see more pictures and understand vionnet better before making a decision as to who would be the best designer for them. I think ultimately it's about who can best embody the wishes and goals and aspirations of the original designer and showcase that while moving the collection forward, which is quite difficult to do. So yes, need to see more before making an accurate decision

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I agree

 

[Spike413]

Some photos and info on Madeleine Vionnet

Vionnet and the bias cut

History of Vionnet

 

[tiffany]

those are incredible, thankyou spike

Since the article reads:
"Vionnet dresses are displayed in museums around the world. They are almost abstract and seem to glide on the body with rhythm... She had a deep knowledge of just how fabrics move and hang."

I would have picked Sophia Kokosalaki, just because she's always seemed to understand the movement in clothes - and she's incredibly talented

I wouldn't consider Posen or even Lagerfeld - Posen because I really don't like him, and Lagerfeld because I doubt even with his talent, he (or anyone for that matter) could devote enough time to four lines and make each one wonderful

I don't know much about Pecoraro, but I'd like to see what he'd to with the House

 

[Meg]

mmm thanks for the pictures and info spike. I think I might have to also say kokosalaki because of the the great grecian draping she does and detail but at the same time I am tempted to say alaia because he is so great at cutting and making a beautiful beautiful item of clothing that I think he could also do a great job. Tough call

 

[Deleted member 7575]

what about this lady?

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jihaye.couture/cre...9/defile09.html

 

[tiffany]

Originally posted by Mutterlein@Dec 4 2004, 03:28 AM
what about this lady?

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jihaye.couture/cre...9/defile09.html

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a lot of her work is very impressive, thanks for the link

 

[Augustabernard]

[attachmentid=33572]I am sorry but I don't think this pick would match with Madeleine Vionnet classical beauty and gracious fluid lines... Probably this Vionnet dress pictured in Vogue in 1931 will give you more inspiration to choose the right designer...

 

[softgrey]

who do you choose augustabernard?...

 

[Augustabernard]

According to me, Alaia never understood Vionnet. He creates conscious-form clothes but he forgets the freedom of the body which was essential to Vionnet.

I think it would be a great challenge for Tom Ford and that we would have the vision to make Vionnet match Chanel in less than ten years... Chanel was also a dormant fashion house before Karl Lagerfeld came... I know that when Tom Ford was at St Laurent, he was always talking about the vision and the cut of Vionnet, so, it could make great sense for the House to have him as Art Director...

Sophia Kokosalaki is a woman, like Madeleine Vionnet, she is influenced by Greece, like Madeleine Vionnet, she has great technique, like Madeleine Vionnet, she is a great inventor, like Madeleine Vionnet, she does not like to be too much under the spotlights, like Madeleine Vionnet and last but not least, she claims Madeleine Vionnet is her major influence. So, there are many good reasons to pick her.

B) Karl Lagerfeld has an immense knowledge of Vionnet and he copied her a lot at his beginnings. I think he would be able to catch Vionnet's vision and dress up this vision with much talent. I believe that for him, it would represent its life achievement... He would have headed Chanel and Vionnet, the founding myths of modern fashion culture.

Pecoraro is not even to be considered.

Zac Posen could wake up the fashion house but I don't think it would be a relevant choice in the long term.

Olivier Theyskens is already waking up Rochas, which is nothing in fashion history compared to Vionnet. Vionnet would be a more decent job for him... Maybe, he could be much more inspired too. Its seems he has lost most of his inspiration since he joined Rochas...

 

[dior4ever]

tom ford has great dresses but im not sure about the rest of his clthes if it would fit in with Vionnet, Sophia i dont see her there either we need new people why only the famous?

 

[ignitioned32]

Augustabernard, thanks for the information.

 

[beaverhausen]

I would love to see Alaia at Vionnet. But if I had to put my money on it I'd say it's probably going to be Kokosalaki.

 

[Scott]

It seems everybody is choosing Sophia obviously because of her draping skills,but what I'd like to see is a fresher aesthetic but with respect to the history of Vionnet. It just seems so literal,to choose somebody just because of one's draping skills. A designer with the skill level for craftsmanship and a contemporary vision is very much what the Vionnet spirit was all about. And I think in that approach would make this open to all possible talents. I mean,really,do you want to see another dose of that Vionnet already has done? I'd rather see somebody take draping to another level.

I really hope the people behind the re-launch,would choose in a way like Loewe choosing a very talented but unrecognizable José Enrique Ona Selfa. And he's still there....doing a fab job too.

 

[Mr-Dale]

I vote for Tom
I think it will be a great new beginning for both Tom and Vionnet to assign him, he'd do very good....

 

[Spike413]

Ok, as much as I love Tom Ford, and we all know I do, I don't think he'd be good for Vionnet. His vision of fashion is too different from what Vionnet's legacy is all about. Regardless of his talent, his idea of what fashion is just doesn't go, there'd be nothing for him to work with at the house. He'd wind up either being true to himself which would ultimately not be good and garner endless criticism or he'd have to tailor his ideas to meet expectations of a name which also wouldn't be good because he'd compromise his creativity.

Bottom line, there's nothing in common between Vionnet and Ford to make it work.

 

[softgrey]

all good points augustabernard...

scott...and how are sales at loewe?...

 

[Meg]

I've thought about this more I think. Anyway, I really disagree with Tom Ford for Vionnet. He completely desecrated YSL for the most part and he does not follow the original designers artistic aesthetic at all but instead but a sex stamp on everything. From what I've seen of kokosalaki's work (both earlier and later stuff) I just do not believe that she has the eye for intricacy that alaia has. Yes, kokosalaki has done some great stuff (like the spiderweb vest which seemed to be fairly intricate) but nothing on a massive scale. I think alaia has a great sense of a woman's body and would do this collection well. If kokosalaki came on, it would be just like her line, only 'older'

 

[Alejandro]

Olivier Theyskens, he's the closest along the lines of Vionnet IMO