Artysm 2005

[jhaime]

http://artysm.com/

Not sure if this has been brought in, did a search.

it's made in paris (apparently).

 

[whizkit]

This is my favorite. Do they stock outside Paris?

 

[softgrey]

hmm...not bad...
part of the sweatshirt culture that is so prevalent these days...

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thanks jhaime...

 

[jhaime]

I didn't actually even realise it was a B boy label...

I should have realised when I heard a Dj Mark mix on their agency website...

http://www.le-bouclard.com/

top Dj actually, i recommend...

regarding the clothing, i'm not sure. the look is ok...i wonder what the quality is like...hmm

 

[softgrey]

what's a B boy please...

 

[jhaime]

B boy..erm..can be gurls or guys...break/street/urban dancers...

usually dance it off on stage or busk in the city too Dj mixes...

The label has that urban sort of feel to it...plus the B boy phenonemon is taking off in Paris and this label is made in Paris...makes sence I guess...

it's similar to this lot... http://drtygnius.com/d431/

personally, I don't go near the stuff...lol

 

[*Happiness*]

I actually find the pieces interesting.

I like the red criss-crossed sweater/sweatshirt.

 

[Oria]

what's a B boy please...

at the core the meaning is basically break dancers-- it's part of the hip-hop culture, especially at the core.

You know I kept reading the name, and thinking something totally different. I wonder how material feels.

 

[jhaime]

it's quite interesting actually..

cause, they're not skate labels, yet they're not hip-hop labels like G-Unit or rocawear...

http://www.waleadeyemi.com/index2.html

That's the best example I can provide to what a B-Boy label is all about...

wale adeyemi, the label all the UK RnB/Garage 'superstars' like jamelia, so solid crew etc are all wearing...along with certain Evisu ranges...

 

[Oria]

it's quite interesting actually..

cause, they're not skate labels, yet they're not hip-hop labels like G-Unit or rocawear...

http://www.waleadeyemi.com/index2.html

That's the best example I can provide to what a B-Boy label is all about...

wale adeyemi, the label all the UK RnB/Garage 'superstars' like jamelia, so solid crew etc are all wearing...along with certain Evisu ranges...

Yes, it is interesting because "b-boy" was a word coined in the hip-hop community, for yes Emcees and dancers. I don't know how there is all of sudden "b-boy" label, since again at the core this stuff comes from the hip-hop culture and to me is what it is. I'm no authority, but if you were to research you'd see this type of clothing dates back to the movie "Beat Street"- which was made in the 80's, which was about hip-hop. So perhaps I don't get the whole "new" label of "b-boy" as separate, because when I see the word I think inclusive in the hip-hop culture. Clothing celebrating a part of a culture, to compartmentalize it doesn't work for me. But it's interesting to see labels do that lol-- everyone has to have their angle I suppose.

 

[jhaime]

UK & european RnB&Garage is very different from american HipHop...

What you said is obviously right...but Hip Hop in america, with all the money and expensive glam, is totally different from a couple of guys in the dutty west london ghetto jamming out in front of their mates camcorder...Blazin squad are a great example of that...lol!!!

The term obviously originated from Hip-hop..but as time has progressed...it's begun to diverse slightly...

If you go to watch B-Boys in action...they dance to mixes from the turntables, stuff like funky house mix, and trip hop...not Jay Z featuring beyonce knowles...

B-boy is practically a seperate culture of its own...I wouldn't dream of walking up to one and calling him a HipHop sell out, as they wouldn't take to kindly too it...not in europe anyway.

But yea, we're starting to see more and more labels like this one emerge to suply this new generation you could say...it is however in the minority...

 

[jhaime]

a great example of a B-Boy label... http://www.blue-guru.com/

if you think that is hip hop...then...God help us all :|

stussy and MHI are another two I would class as B-boy...

 

[Oria]

UK & european RnB&Garage is very different from american HipHop...

Obviously, but it doesn't change the core of where it all began. Again the disassociation is funny to me. You named the "So Solid Crew" yet they borrow their entire stance from who "Rock Steady Crew". I've rarely read them saying anything negative about hip-hop, they know from where it all began. The backbone of who they are is indeed knee-deep in hip-hop culture.

What you said is obviously right...but Hip Hop in america, with all the money and expensive glam, is totally different from a couple of guys in the dutty west london ghetto jamming out in front of their mates camcorder...Blazin squad are a great example of that...lol!!!

LOL, maybe you have a limited view of what hip-hop is. You're actually the first person I've ever come cross who seems to think in a "nationalistic" term, culture doesn't change like that. And hip-hop it's not all about the "bling" - perhaps you need to look outside of what the media shows you. There are many aspect to hip-hop, and no amount of MTVing will change that lol. There is still the b-boys, emcees, and the underground mixtape battles lol- hip-hop isn't one dimensional it's a culture that's multi-faceted, like any other.

The term obviously originated from Hip-hop..but as time has progressed...it's begun to diverse slightly...

Still doesn't change what it means, nor who it represents. Still represents the dancers, and emcees of hip-hop culture. In fact I bet those designers who are honest with themselves, they say the aforementioned. To say different would sorta beget what they're suppose to be about lol. Calling yourself a "b-boy" and doing what "b-boys" do, and then say "oh now we're not hip-hop" lol. Sorry just doesn't ring well in my ears. And this has nothing to do with what country is doing it lol.

If you go to watch B-Boys in action...they dance to mixes from the turntables, stuff like funky house mix, and trip hop...not Jay Z featuring beyonce knowles...

Beyonce isn't hip-hop lol, not even a song with Jay Z makes her or her music that. Again hip-hop is a culture, it's not only music lol.

B-boy is practically a seperate culture of its own...I wouldn't dream of walking up to one and calling him a HipHop sell out, as they wouldn't take to kindly too it...not in europe anyway.

I strongly disagree with "b-boy" being a seperate culture- now saying that to a true b-boy would most definitely offend. And whose talking about "sell-outs"? I'm saying I don't see this as some separate entity.

But yea, we're starting to see more and more labels like this one emerge to suply this new generation you could say...it is however in the minority...

Oh you mean more hip-hop labels

Oh but to say I'd purchase the white outfit from that website, it's a total throwback to the 80's

 

[Oria]

if you think that is hip hop...then...God help us all :|

Was this necessary, here is the point-- You seem to think "b-boy" is exclusive and seperate from hip-hop and I say it isn't. That's like telling the Japanese community that their Kimono is no longer a part of their culture, because the US adopted it. The Kimono still has the same meaning, and it's still from Japan lol.

Just because you'd like to disassociate b-boys from hip-hop doesn't make it so. And this is coming from a non-hip-hop head lol. I just happen to be culturally aware.

 

[jhaime]

you might be right in certain aspects...

but then...there's a shop two doors down from me in the victoria quarter in leeds...called Hip...they sell MHI, stussy, youmustcreate, griffin tee's, blue guru raw power (http://www.rawpowerclothing.com/) and so on...

they play trip hop tunes...with funky house, french and japanese rap in the shop all day long...

they assosiate themselves with the B-Boy 'culture'...and they are most certaily NOT! Hip-Hop...obviously it originated from Hip-Hop...but HipHop is certainly no longer at the core of it..initially I thought HipHop was, but after speaking to these guys and watching a programme on it a while back...i realise it isn't.

i'm only reiterating what they explained to me...

not sure why you're finding this offensive...anyway...

artysm seems to stand out a little more from similar groups of labels, maybe it's the simplicity of the clothing.

 

[jhaime]

'Just because you'd like to disassociate b-boys from hip-hop doesn't make it so.'

I said it's beginning to slightly diverse...you do realise it's a pretty wide spectrum...lol

i'm sure there are B-Boys into Hip-Hop...and i know there are B-boys who aren't...these labels just seem to be accomadating the ones who aren't...

 

[Oria]

you might be right in certain aspects...

but then...there's a shop two doors down from me in the victoria quarter in leeds...called Hip...they sell MHI, stussy, youmustcreate, griffin tee's, blue guru raw power (http://www.rawpowerclothing.com/) and so on...

they play trip hop tunes...with funky house, french and japanese rap in the shop all day long...

they assosiate themselves with the B-Boy 'culture'...and they are most certaily NOT! Hip-Hop...obviously it originated from Hip-Hop...but HipHop is certainly no longer at the core of it..initially I thought HipHop was, but after speaking to these guys and watching a programme on it a while back...i realise it isn't.

i'm only reiterating what they explained to me...

not sure why you're finding this offensive...anyway...

artysm seems to stand out a little more from similar groups of labels, maybe it's the simplicity of the clothing.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I've stated my opinion and it remains the same. No matter how many ways one tries to change the meaning it remains what it is- think my opinion on the Kimono.

Thanks for the conversation. B)

 

[jhaime]

oh...i look forward to our next encounter.. lol...

it's not really my field...i dunno if you dress with these labels or what...i'm just going on what i've seen on tele and what the guys who run Hip have told me...

 

[jhaime]

by the way...incidently...the meanings of words are forever changing with time.. hehehe

 

[Oria]

oh...i look forward to our next encounter.. lol...

it's not really my field...i dunno if you dress with these labels or what...i'm just going on what i've seen on tele and what the guys who run Hip have told me...

Dear, if you've read an ounce of what I've said you'd know if I wear the clothes or not- which in all honesty has nothing to do with my opinion on the entire matter of "b-boys". One doesn't have to indulge in something to understand it. I did say I was culturally aware- something I pride myself on- yes modest I know, but at least I'm honest.

The fact remains that "b-boy" still refers to the same thing it does in hip-hop as it does in this new world you keep speaking about lol- and that's not debatable lol. Still refers to dancers, dj, and emcees lol.

Either way I'm seriously done, because I'm sure we've both taken this topic off from the clothes to this. Again thanks.