Carine Roitfeld

[marines]

 

[Lola701]

To go to CR’s apartment and not talk about the wardrobe is a professional and moral fault.
We want to see the wardrobe! We don’t care about the Pharrell bag! Lol

 

[Phuel]

Black toilette and black bed would gross me out so much: Just the thought of not seeing any signs of unhygienic stains on those everyday components grosses me out. And that Vuitton bag is vile; the slightest hint of utter dismissive distain on Carine’s face when he picks it up is adorable!

You know Lola, her personal style may still be cool— I don’t really care LOL If I had an opportunity to interview her, really get a deepdive conversation going with her, I’d be interested in her sharing how she went from her early days at The Face to her legendary impact of her Vogue Paris to her current mindset now (with just following the kids. It’s a sensitive discussion, one that she must know herself that other than her brandname, she no longer has the impact she once did as a creative). She seems such a considerate individual that remains polite and sensitive, unlike so many others in the industry. Her, Nick Knight and Fabien may be the only fashion legends I’d ever be interested in having a deepdive convo with— and likely ones that appreciate people being thoughtful but honest with them.

 

[Lola701]

Black toilette and black bed would gross me out so much: Just the thought of not seeing any signs of unhygienic stains on those everyday components grosses me out. And that Vuitton bag is vile; the slightest hint of utter dismissive distain on Carine’s face when he picks it up is adorable!

You know Lola, her personal style may still be cool— I don’t really care LOL If I had an opportunity to interview her, really get a deepdive conversation going with her, I’d be interested in her sharing how she went from her early days at The Face to her legendary impact of her Vogue Paris to her current mindset now (with just following the kids. It’s a sensitive discussion, one that she must know herself that other than her brandname, she no longer has the impact she once did as a creative). She seems such a considerate individual that remains polite and sensitive, unlike so many others in the industry. Her, Nick Knight and Fabien may be the only fashion legends I’d ever be interested in having a deepdive convo with— and likely ones that appreciate people being thoughtful but honest with them.

Yes I mean. If you go to her house, and record her house, for me the wardrobe is important. It informs about her and things she likes as much as her interior. If you talk about an a random Pharrell bag…The story attached to it was disappointing lol.

But yes, meeting Carine is the best occasion to have a conversation. I would ask her about her ELLE days in the 80’s and being around that old guard of legendary stylists like Nicole Crassat. I would ask her about her Glamour days where she was part of that new generation with Testino, Lenthal, Mathilde Favier and others. How she handled her Gucci fame from being the edgy editor from Glamour to then style Calvin Klein, Versace, work on US Vogue.
I would also ask her about her approach to her work as an EIC at Vogue Paris and maybe the frustration she had. It was a first and also controversial to have the EIC of a magazine styling campaigns for and annonceur and then doing the H&M/Karl Lagerfeld campaign.

I would also ask her about her opinion on the recognition gave to Stylists and how it has evolved…

 

[Phuel]

^^^ I get the impression she doesn’t like it when people, more so since it’s being posted for all to see, going through her closet: The shot of her Tom Ford croc jacket strategically hanging in front of a book case for AD magazine is the most we’ll see of her closet LOL I understand the excitement for it because she’s a fashion legend and her wardrobe is such a strong component of her identity, but it’s can be such a personal invasion— like strangers riffling through your wallet!

Did she make much of an impact for those publications? I don’t remember noticing her except for her work with Tom, Mario and The Face.

Did you watched that Amazon’s version of Project Runway show when she was a judge? It’s very telling how considerate and kind she was to the nitwit contestants; obviously holding back her true thoughts (that none of them were good), and only offered polite words of encouragement. Although it’s just TV and maybe she was careful of her words for it, she never spoke to them dismissively nor assertively— even when it’s clear that their level of talent isn’t worthy of the greater talents that she would be used to. When interviewed by her equals, she’s very firm, very assertive and always had a strong POV. I’d love to have Tim Blanks interview her and speak of their better days during the golden era that they contributed to. Just unfortunate that her better days seem far behind her now.

I can’t imagine her being outright rude to anyone as a display of power and ego, unlike so many in the industry.

 

[Lola701]

^^^ I get the impression she doesn’t like it when people, more so since it’s being posted for all to see, going through her closet: The shot of her Tom Ford croc jacket strategically hanging in front of a book case for AD magazine is the most we’ll see of her closet LOL I understand the excitement for it because she’s a fashion legend and her wardrobe is such a strong component of her identity, but it’s can be such a personal invasion— like strangers riffling through your wallet!

Beyond the clothes, what is interesting about a person like Carine is the fact that she wears mostly either her friends’s clothes or the brands she has some sort of rapport with. Given the state of fashion today, her wardrobe would be very interesting.

We haven’t seen her in Prada since RAF came. We haven’t seen her in Tom Ford by Hawkings and things like that. She wore Loewe and it’s logical because her assistant was Benjamin Bruno. She wears Vuitton from time to time, Rick owens…etc.

Given her latest gigs, I’m actually curious to know if she has some Laquan Smith or Elie Saab in her wardrobe now….But I guess I should go to Avenue Montaigne and wait to see her there to know about it ahahaha.

What those editors wears is a validation thing too for those designers.

Did she make much of an impact for those publications? I don’t remember noticing her except for her work with Tom, Mario and The Face.

Yes! I mean ELLE France is very important and has always been very important in the world of HF, as important as Vogue in a way because it was, with Marie Claire (under Claude Brouet), in France, the publication that highlighted talents really at the beginning.

Glamour France is very important in the history of modern fashion but It’s where her impact was first recognized and where she became famous. The infamous story of Nadja shot by Mario in Carine’s apartment that got Tom Ford to call them for Gucci was published in Glamour in 1994. Glamour was created by CN if I remember well. A lot of famous Mario/Carine stories like Naomi in the beach comes from there.

And Glamour is also where Tom Pecheux, Juergen Teller and others were first published in a big way. And it’s also the publication that opened the doors of Vogue to those people. When Glamour was shut down and bought by another group, Carine the, with the Gucci fame became international did The Face, then did Vogue US, they did a lot of indies (I remember an issue of Upstreet Magazine that was really impactful), then she became the CD of Condé Nast France and when Joan Juliet Buck left, was promoted.

Did you watched that Amazon’s version of Project Runway show when she was a judge? It’s very telling how considerate and kind she was to the nitwit contestants; obviously holding back her true thoughts (that none of them were good), and only offered polite words of encouragement. Although it’s just TV and maybe she was careful of her words for it, she never spoke to them dismissively nor assertively— even when it’s clear that their level of talent isn’t worthy of the greater talents that she would be used to. When interviewed by her equals, she’s very firm, very assertive and always had a strong POV. I’d love to have Tim Blanks interview her and speak of their better days during the golden era that they contributed to. Just unfortunate that her better days seem far behind her now.

I can’t imagine her being outright rude to anyone as a display of power and ego, unlike so many in the industry.

Yes, she is a real « gentille ». Everybody knows that about her and actually love her for that. But I think the fact that she worked with designers, was close with designers with a lot of ego and also working in Paris, which is a very humbling experience, helped in her being that way.
In the US, everybody is legendary, iconic and get awards. In France, it never happens.

I think the glory days of everyone are over. I wish she was more conscious of her legacy work. That’s why I admire Carlyne. We don’t see much about her today but when we do, it’s The top of the Top.
They gets a lot of money anyway but when you work for Elie Saab, you can afford to be more picky with those that will maybe pay less but that you can really elevate. And of course, CRFB is a mess.

 

[kasper!]

Glamour France is so hard to find! I only collect 7 cipies and I must tell it worthes every penny..

 

[THD96]

Given her latest gigs, I’m actually curious to know if she has some Laquan Smith or Elie Saab in her wardrobe now….But I guess I should go to Avenue Montaigne and wait to see her there to know about it ahahaha

I just can't imagine Carine in Laquan just like I cannot imagine you in Laquan when you guys already own TF / Gucci. Like Les Parisiennes supposed chicer than that right?

Do you have more information about her fragrance business? Does it actually profitable or is it just another vanity project like her magazine that will shut down when she no longer involved.

And absolutely agree about her legacy, she should have set her standards higher when her name is involved in the project.
But at the same time, I'm still happy to see that they are still around working. I hate to see legends we adore end up like Lou Lou or ALT.

 

[Lola701]

I just can't imagine Carine in Laquan just like I cannot imagine you in Laquan when you guys already own TF / Gucci. Like Les Parisiennes supposed chicer than that right?

Ahaha. I don’t know if Parisiennes are more chic but French style is much more conservative and bourgeois. Let’s say that I’m more conservative lol.

Do you have more information about her fragrance business? Does it actually profitable or is it just another vanity project like her magazine that will shut down when she no longer involved.

Her fragrances are great. I don’t know how well it is doing but it has been around for a minute now and tbh, it’s really great. Those are real parfumeur fragrances. I expect her fragrances to exist longer than the magazine. Maybe she should push it more as a brand…

And absolutely agree about her legacy, she should have set her standards higher when her name is involved in the project.
But at the same time, I'm still happy to see that they are still around working. I hate to see legends we adore end up like Lou Lou or ALT.

There was no issue that Carine wasn’t going to end up like Loulou or ALT. She is a stylist, she has always been a stylist (even when she was an EIC) and she went back to her thing when VP ended. I only have unpopular opinions when it comes to ALT but I think Carine and him both shares that thing: they weren’t ambitious.
The only difference is that Carine found herself (career-wise) earlier than Andre. So she understood the power of styling, the money but also the influence that position gives you even though it’s quite competitive.

Andre and Loulou were in very fancy shelters.

 

[kasper!]

SHE JUST SAID IN THE LY.AS INTERVIEW

Maybe I could come back and do a story - why not?

WOW

 

[Avonlea]

I love her, but it doesn't excite me at all. Her work after Vogue has been mediocre at best. She has her own magazine and can't come up with anything interesting there. She just doesn't bring anything to the table besides the name and the legacy it carries. Maybe Testino could spark something in her; too bad that will never happen.