Celine Menswear S/S 2024 Paris

[PierreGotha]

Regardless of what Hedi Does to Celine's Aesthetic and Design. His meticulousness in Quality Control remained consistent.
Beyond the sea of plastered logos and the Triomphe motifs, there are classic staples that are well-made and worth buying.

Especially his Jackets, Outerwear, Dresses and Denim. The denim/jeans are specifically made in Japan and his jackets are structured carefully. The Hunter jackets are essentially his antithesis to the Chanel Tweed Jacket. When you wear them it's flattering and it sits beautifully.

The Leather goods are on a case-by-case basis. The Only Triomphe Bag that Matters is the first Triomphe edition released during his debut. The classique 16 bag is kind of a compromise if you want a Kelly, but I prefer it to the Triomphe. Meanwhile, the Romy bag is quite underrated and the menswear version is superior to the women's, because of the strap.

When it comes to shoes, he is best when it comes to releasing boots.
The menswear boots are always in limited quantity, especially the runway exclusives.

LVMH needs to calm down on the initiative to bombard the brand with Logos and motifs, or perhaps Hedi should limit them in the next collections. It's ruining the brand's prestige. Unfortunately, this is the same strategy that they did with MGC's Dior.

 

[Lola701]

this branded stuff is really for the Celine customer. Think logically. If Im a Billionaire - I dont shop at multiple stores. Only brokies are comparing products.


So - Im a billionaire. I need clothes that arent Wool slacks and a Silk blouson. For when Im flyijg 18 hours from Dubai to Sydney. Im already at Celine - $500 for sweatpants is peanuts to me. Why wouldnt I buy them ? this billionaire client needs travel and easy clothes….

The victims buy it because its entry level. Its really for the Billionaire customer - preventing them from going to Nike or Lululemon or whatever….

Like thats how you can tell the entry level from the wealthy. Wealthy wear celine t shirts to go sweat in. Entry level wear celine t shirts on the red carpet.

I think the logo stuff is really for the luxury customer, the aspiring customer…Because ultimately, the quote on quote « Celine customer » is either a longtime fan of Hedi or someone who finds in Celine that « solving problems wardrobe » staple.

Your billionaire theory is amusing but wealthy or rich people don’t necessarily think like that. You have to remember that a lot of rich people don’t necessarily have style and when they indulge in fashion, it’s usually motivated by their environment or wives. And either way, they go for status. That’s how a Tom Ford suit has become the new Armani. The people who are into tailoring or sartorial dressing might go for Tom Ford but their ultimate status symbol would be a bespoke from Savile Row or Cifonelli.
Then there are people, mostly from the tech, who don’t feel the need to be validated by their style. They would either elevate what they already have through fabrics (a cashmere hoodie) or shape. Hedi’s stuff might speak to them (if they fit in his clothes).

Celine’s price point is honest enough to appeal to someone who shopped at Dior Homme or YSL under Slimane or someone who lives comfortably and has found in Celine that kind of safe house that provides really a wardrobe.

The quality at Celine is great because it’s consistent both to Hedi’s standards and to his vision. And I must say that it does not feel like they are cutting costs even if they are making obvious compromises (the logo stuff). It’s simple, it’s well made and the fabrics are usually what you expect. I mean some denims are still made in Japan…

The problem with Celine is that it’s not as strong as his work for YSL in a way. The Celine look is not as appealing despite having great products.
The strength of Hedi’s Saint Laurent was how independent from logos it was. A lot of products became recognizable because of what they were and not what they represented. I think about the bomber jacket, the sneakers and a lot of things. It was possible to actual have a whole look in menswear with only elements from the permanent collection and be distinctively « Slimane » without a logo.

But overall, a majority of LVMH brands have a good quality. Vuitton, Dior, Celine, Loewe even Fendi are good. The quality at Givenchy has always been so/so. I remember some products produced in Eastern Europe with the most eyebrows-raising quality. And Kenzo…I don’t know. It was terrible at some point but judging by what I’m seeing from Nigo, it’s a lot of cotton, a very workwear oriented line that might be well produced but a bit overpriced maybe.