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^the guy obviously couldn't care less. He didn't even bother pulling his outfit together for his wedding picture so it's not like he's going to make an effort for a date.
Like you Boomer I would be offended as hell had I made an effort to groom myself to perfection just to have my date pick me up looking like he's off returning DVDs at Blockbuster, but Ivanka obviously doesn't care.
She probably is one of those women who think scruffiness and total lack of vanity is virile in a man.
Like you Boomer I would be offended as hell had I made an effort to groom myself to perfection just to have my date pick me up looking like he's off returning DVDs at Blockbuster, but Ivanka obviously doesn't care.
She probably is one of those women who think scruffiness and total lack of vanity is virile in a man.
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Jared's hair in the most recent pictures is really starting to bare an uncanny resemblance to her father's hair.
Oh yeah, him...^ I guess...Did you ever see her old (long time) boyfriend Bingo??
Even putting aside the fact his name is Bingo (!!!!), if my memory serves the guy looked like a sleazier and shorter version of her brother.
In comparison, Jared is an upgrade of cosmic proportion.
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^omg Harumi your so right!! I always thought bingo looked like a sleazier shorter version of her brother too! haha. you hit the nail on the head.
I think she has a graceful dignity which carries over into her style. Her event style is elegant and refined, unlike so many of those NY socialites whose clothes and snooty, just a notch above brain dead demeanor scream LOOK AT ME! I GOTS MONEY!
I also admire the fact that she's a highly educated woman that actually works. And I'm not talking about "oh yeah, I have a handbag line that's big in Japan" work. It would have been so easy for her to have been a vapid heiress that just flits from party to party but she's not.
That said, I don't think it matters how glamorous they dress because as a couple they'll never be like JFK Junior and CB. Those two had a certain eclat that was an organic thing. They could have been buying fertilizer from Walmart in juice couture sweats and they would have beat out these two on their wedding day.
I also admire the fact that she's a highly educated woman that actually works. And I'm not talking about "oh yeah, I have a handbag line that's big in Japan" work. It would have been so easy for her to have been a vapid heiress that just flits from party to party but she's not.
That said, I don't think it matters how glamorous they dress because as a couple they'll never be like JFK Junior and CB. Those two had a certain eclat that was an organic thing. They could have been buying fertilizer from Walmart in juice couture sweats and they would have beat out these two on their wedding day.
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I agree about her style looking elegant and refined at events and work, at least from what I've seen. However, at times while she might still come off as elegant, her outfit itself, looks like a hot mess.
As for her candid style, I have yet to be impressed. From what I've seen her candid style is very blah and super dressed down. (Poo brown sweater?)
As for being a highly educated woman - I do like the fact she reads a lot, is eloquent when she talks and comes across as educated. However, she only went to undergrad. I don't think that merits 'highly' educated. Granted it was at Wharton, but she transferred there, and one can only assume she got in because she was a trump. However, I do recall that she did well there, so it does show she has some brains. I wouldn't revere her though with someone as say a PH.D or anything. She has no graduate level degree, and she works for her father after all.
As for her parading around on all these shows, and in general presenting herself as the antithesis to all the other famous socialites, I am a bit conflicted on. Yes, she is no Paris Hilton, but I also don't see why she gets so much praise. There are many wealthy kids, who go onto be successful, educated, and work. I myself went to prep school and grew up with some very wealthy kids (Eric trump in fact attended the school for a while as well) and they are all educated and working now as well. It's just the fact the trumps like to be in the limelight and so in the world of media socialites, she comes across as different. In real life, I would say not so much.
One thing I think is important though - is that a formal education doesn't necessarily translate to "smartness". Alot of entrepreneurs had little formal education, but had a certain business know-how and was sharp minded.
So to me, I don't distinguish too much whether Ivana has a Phd or just a BA, in the end, alot of it is down to on the job adeptness and experience. Whether or not she writes an amazing thesis on Kantian metaphysics isn't going to influence too much on her job prospects really.
So to me, I don't distinguish too much whether Ivana has a Phd or just a BA, in the end, alot of it is down to on the job adeptness and experience. Whether or not she writes an amazing thesis on Kantian metaphysics isn't going to influence too much on her job prospects really.
^ Well, I'd have to agree with just about all you've said...Her father came from a private school background, also transferred into Wharton (he went to Fordham for his first two years of college), did not graduate first in his class, as is always said (Wharton has never done class rankings...he is actually remembered by his teachers and classmates as an average and pretty much disinterested student..) and rode the coattails, political connections and bank account of his own father's real estate business to create his own career...Not to make light of his undeniable accomplishments and hard work, but we can see a lot of similarities between Ivanka and Donald Sr if you compare these thing...PR and self promotion are key to both of their reputations in the media! And, BTW, there are currently very large cracks showing in the Trump Empire- it will be interesting to see how well the kids can ride out the next few years- the cancelled projects and lawsuits against them are really piling up (very quietly of course, you would never know about them from the popular press...) 
Crain's New York Business:
It seems to be a match made in real estate heaven for two survivors of tabloid hell.
Freshly wed Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner are both third-generation scions of rich and infamous real estate clans who've endured having their fathers' worst moments splashed across tabloids and TV screens.
Whose dad is wealthier? Forbes says Ivanka's father, Donald, is worth around $2 billion. Jared's pop, Charles, didn't make the magazine's latest list of the 400 richest Americans.
Who's weathered worse publicity? Probably 28-year-old Mr. Kushner. His progenitor landed in jail in 2005 for tax fraud, witness tampering and election violations. The elder Mr. Kushner even hired a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law and arranged to have a videotape of the encounter sent to the man's wife, his sister.
The media swarms Mr. Trump for different reasons. He allegedly cheated on Ms. Trump's mother with the younger woman who became his second wife. And nearly filed for bankruptcy. All told, he has appeared in 2,581 New York Post articles since 1997, according to news databases, or once every 1.7 days.
“My father's not normal. We are not normal,” Ms. Trump says at one point in in her just-published first book. “We weren't typically staid businesspeople.”
These days, the young, attractive couple generate their own headlines, and not just because of their glamorous wedding last month before 500 guests, including everyone from Rupert Murdoch to Regis Philbin to Anna Wintour. Both have stepped outside their fathers' shadows by taking prominent roles in their family businesses and starting their own ventures as well—with mixed results.
Mr. Kushner helped push his family's Kushner Cos. deeper into the Manhattan real estate market while buying the New York Observer newspaper on his own. Ms. Trump, 28, is an executive vice president at the Trump Organization and a judge on her father's TV franchise, The Apprentice. She also has her own line of jewelry, and she's peddling her book, a primer for young women on “winning at work and life.”
“They both seem to have taken the silver spoons out of their mouths and have really accomplished something,” says author Michael Gross, chronicler of New York's wealthy in such books as 740 Park. “Now we have to give them a couple of years to see if they live up to their promise.”
Family, friends, colleagues and competitors almost uniformly describe Mr. Kushner and Ms. Trump, who declined requests for interviews, as smart, mature and hardworking. Ms. Trump is even called humble—an adjective never associated with her notoriously boastful father.
“I think what we have here is two talented, motivated people who are going to bring the real estate industry to new heights,” says Bruce Mosler, chief executive of real estate services firm Cushman & Wakefield Inc., which has done business with both families. “They bring the skills and passion this business needs.”
Under a magnifying glass
All their strengths will be necessary to weather the difficult real estate market. Mr. Kushner and Ms. Trump have additional, unique challenges: They are under a magnifying glass because of their famous backgrounds, but also because they've chosen to dive into risky areas. Furthermore, they're a married couple working in the same field—a dynamic that can be fraught with peril.
“They are in the same industry, so each understands what the other is going through,” says Ted Clark, director of the Center for Family Business at Northeastern University in Boston. Yet being in the same business also sparks jealousy and competition between couples, he adds. “That is just human nature.”
Still, Kushner Cos. and the Trump Organization are different beasts. And Mr. Kushner and Ms. Trump are taking different approaches to creating their respective personas.
Mr. Kushner is moving further away from the family's traditional formula for success. Kushner Cos. was long known for its residential and commercial real estate holdings in New Jersey—plentiful and profitable, but pedestrian. Then Mr. Kushner bought a newspaper and helped the family purchase a trophy office tower on Fifth Avenue, moves that seem to come not from his dad's playbook but from that of another real estate mogul, GM Building and Daily News owner Mort Zuckerman.
To pay for what was at the time the most expensive office building purchase ever—2007's $1.8 billion acquisition of 666 Fifth Ave.—Kushner Cos. sold a huge portfolio, reaping a $1 billion profit. Since his father was in a halfway house, the younger Mr. Kushner served as the public face for the deal, which the family closed at the height of the market. Big mistake.
The building's rents never covered debt service, according to Manus Clancy, senior managing director at Trepp, which tracks real estate debt. That situation has only worsened as office rents have collapsed over the past two years. A law firm that leases about 15% of 666 Fifth has announced that it is leaving, which will leave a huge gap at a time when big corporate renters are scarce.
The building's reserve fund for interest payments is expected to run out in about 20 months. With credit markets for big deals slammed shut, finding replacement capital will be tough.
Mr. Kushner's timing for purchasing a newspaper was equally awful. He bought a majority stake in the Observer, a chronic money-loser, for a reported $10 million in 2006.
“Jared brought organization and accounting to the paper,” says former editor Peter Kaplan. “He wanted to treat it more like a business.”
Mr. Kaplan praises his former employer, yet he left earlier this year amid reports of disagreements on how to cut costs at the paper and its Web site. The interim editor who followed, Tom McGeveran, announced his own exit after just five months.
It's hard to imagine that Mr. Kushner has been able to reverse the flow of red ink in such a dismal advertising environment. And he recently started an Observer spinoff devoted solely to commercial real estate, about as recession-decimated an industry as one can find around town these days.
But the Observer does give Mr. Kushner a certain cachet in New York real estate, political and media circles, where its coverage has traditionally been focused. Real estate moguls Steve Ross and Jerry Speyer show up at his parties honoring industry machers, as does Mayor Michael Bloomberg. It's doubtful they'd deign to attend Mr. Kushner's soirees if all he owned was 666 Fifth, which he bought from Mr. Speyer.
The Trump Organization is more than familiar with surviving the downside of a real estate recession. After his brush with bankruptcy in the early 1990s, Mr. Trump began to license the family name to other developers, as well as makers of ties, vodka and shirts—to name a few of the products that now bear the brand. He also produced numerous books that play off his Art of the Deal image.
Ms. Trump's quest to put her own stamp on the industry is a twist on her dad's strategy. Her recent book The Trump Card offers pearls such as “confidence is key” and “perseverance runs a close second.” Shoppers browsing at her Madison Avenue jewelry store can peruse a copy while trying on baubles that range from $650 to $750,000.
Another sighting of Brand Ivanka appeared in the Post last week: A big Page 3 photo showed her and Mr. Kushner shopping inside the Union Square Kmart. The “honeymoon tycoons” are described as “gazillionaires” who “hunt for bargains.” There's no mention that Kmart is a sponsor of The Apprentice.
(“It's a coincidence,” Mr. Trump says. “They love a bargain.”)
Ms. Trump also will appear this month on a residential real estate panel at an event produced by the Observer. Her photo graces the Internet ad, even though fellow panelists Prudential Elliman's Dottie Herman and Halstead's Diane Ramirez are veterans of the field.
Two of Ms. Trump's brothers, Donald Jr. and Eric, are executive vice presidents in the family company. Donald Jr. is also a judge on The Apprentice. Both men also help extend the Trump brand to a younger generation. Yet it is Ms. Trump who seems to attract most of the attention.
“She is like me,” says The Donald
“I think part of the reason is that she is a beautiful woman,” her father says. “But she is like me: She loves the public, she loves to be out there.”
Her photo was part of an ad campaign for the Trump Soho, a condo hotel set to open next year. But her pretty face could not mask problems with the project, which has been plagued by bad press and delays—including a holdup after the death of a construction worker, which highlighted building violations at the site.
One insider says it's likely that lenders will foreclose on the hotel, which is being built by the Sapir Organization and Bayrock Group and managed by the Trumps. So it's possible that the first project closely associated with Ms. Trump may fail.
Ms. Trump has promoted other luxury resorts that bear the family name. She was even on the board of publicly held Trump Casinos along with her father. And she resigned along with him earlier this year, a few days before the company filed for bankruptcy for the third time.
Now Mr. Trump is battling with bondholders over who should control the gambling operation that bears his name. It's been years since he's been involved in running the casinos, but now he says he thinks his presence can “create excitement” that will draw crowds to Atlantic City. The case won't be resolved for months.
But there are plenty of other projects to keep him and his family busy. Mr. Trump says he loves working with his children, because they “get to spend more time together.”
So, would The Donald recommend that Ivanka and his new son-in-law (“he's a great guy, a great guy”) team up on a project?
“I don't think it is a good idea,” he says. “When it works, it can be great, but when it doesn't, I think it would be really ugly.”
It seems to be a match made in real estate heaven for two survivors of tabloid hell.
Freshly wed Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner are both third-generation scions of rich and infamous real estate clans who've endured having their fathers' worst moments splashed across tabloids and TV screens.
Whose dad is wealthier? Forbes says Ivanka's father, Donald, is worth around $2 billion. Jared's pop, Charles, didn't make the magazine's latest list of the 400 richest Americans.
Who's weathered worse publicity? Probably 28-year-old Mr. Kushner. His progenitor landed in jail in 2005 for tax fraud, witness tampering and election violations. The elder Mr. Kushner even hired a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law and arranged to have a videotape of the encounter sent to the man's wife, his sister.
The media swarms Mr. Trump for different reasons. He allegedly cheated on Ms. Trump's mother with the younger woman who became his second wife. And nearly filed for bankruptcy. All told, he has appeared in 2,581 New York Post articles since 1997, according to news databases, or once every 1.7 days.
“My father's not normal. We are not normal,” Ms. Trump says at one point in in her just-published first book. “We weren't typically staid businesspeople.”
These days, the young, attractive couple generate their own headlines, and not just because of their glamorous wedding last month before 500 guests, including everyone from Rupert Murdoch to Regis Philbin to Anna Wintour. Both have stepped outside their fathers' shadows by taking prominent roles in their family businesses and starting their own ventures as well—with mixed results.
Mr. Kushner helped push his family's Kushner Cos. deeper into the Manhattan real estate market while buying the New York Observer newspaper on his own. Ms. Trump, 28, is an executive vice president at the Trump Organization and a judge on her father's TV franchise, The Apprentice. She also has her own line of jewelry, and she's peddling her book, a primer for young women on “winning at work and life.”
“They both seem to have taken the silver spoons out of their mouths and have really accomplished something,” says author Michael Gross, chronicler of New York's wealthy in such books as 740 Park. “Now we have to give them a couple of years to see if they live up to their promise.”
Family, friends, colleagues and competitors almost uniformly describe Mr. Kushner and Ms. Trump, who declined requests for interviews, as smart, mature and hardworking. Ms. Trump is even called humble—an adjective never associated with her notoriously boastful father.
“I think what we have here is two talented, motivated people who are going to bring the real estate industry to new heights,” says Bruce Mosler, chief executive of real estate services firm Cushman & Wakefield Inc., which has done business with both families. “They bring the skills and passion this business needs.”
Under a magnifying glass
All their strengths will be necessary to weather the difficult real estate market. Mr. Kushner and Ms. Trump have additional, unique challenges: They are under a magnifying glass because of their famous backgrounds, but also because they've chosen to dive into risky areas. Furthermore, they're a married couple working in the same field—a dynamic that can be fraught with peril.
“They are in the same industry, so each understands what the other is going through,” says Ted Clark, director of the Center for Family Business at Northeastern University in Boston. Yet being in the same business also sparks jealousy and competition between couples, he adds. “That is just human nature.”
Still, Kushner Cos. and the Trump Organization are different beasts. And Mr. Kushner and Ms. Trump are taking different approaches to creating their respective personas.
Mr. Kushner is moving further away from the family's traditional formula for success. Kushner Cos. was long known for its residential and commercial real estate holdings in New Jersey—plentiful and profitable, but pedestrian. Then Mr. Kushner bought a newspaper and helped the family purchase a trophy office tower on Fifth Avenue, moves that seem to come not from his dad's playbook but from that of another real estate mogul, GM Building and Daily News owner Mort Zuckerman.
To pay for what was at the time the most expensive office building purchase ever—2007's $1.8 billion acquisition of 666 Fifth Ave.—Kushner Cos. sold a huge portfolio, reaping a $1 billion profit. Since his father was in a halfway house, the younger Mr. Kushner served as the public face for the deal, which the family closed at the height of the market. Big mistake.
The building's rents never covered debt service, according to Manus Clancy, senior managing director at Trepp, which tracks real estate debt. That situation has only worsened as office rents have collapsed over the past two years. A law firm that leases about 15% of 666 Fifth has announced that it is leaving, which will leave a huge gap at a time when big corporate renters are scarce.
The building's reserve fund for interest payments is expected to run out in about 20 months. With credit markets for big deals slammed shut, finding replacement capital will be tough.
Mr. Kushner's timing for purchasing a newspaper was equally awful. He bought a majority stake in the Observer, a chronic money-loser, for a reported $10 million in 2006.
“Jared brought organization and accounting to the paper,” says former editor Peter Kaplan. “He wanted to treat it more like a business.”
Mr. Kaplan praises his former employer, yet he left earlier this year amid reports of disagreements on how to cut costs at the paper and its Web site. The interim editor who followed, Tom McGeveran, announced his own exit after just five months.
It's hard to imagine that Mr. Kushner has been able to reverse the flow of red ink in such a dismal advertising environment. And he recently started an Observer spinoff devoted solely to commercial real estate, about as recession-decimated an industry as one can find around town these days.
But the Observer does give Mr. Kushner a certain cachet in New York real estate, political and media circles, where its coverage has traditionally been focused. Real estate moguls Steve Ross and Jerry Speyer show up at his parties honoring industry machers, as does Mayor Michael Bloomberg. It's doubtful they'd deign to attend Mr. Kushner's soirees if all he owned was 666 Fifth, which he bought from Mr. Speyer.
The Trump Organization is more than familiar with surviving the downside of a real estate recession. After his brush with bankruptcy in the early 1990s, Mr. Trump began to license the family name to other developers, as well as makers of ties, vodka and shirts—to name a few of the products that now bear the brand. He also produced numerous books that play off his Art of the Deal image.
Ms. Trump's quest to put her own stamp on the industry is a twist on her dad's strategy. Her recent book The Trump Card offers pearls such as “confidence is key” and “perseverance runs a close second.” Shoppers browsing at her Madison Avenue jewelry store can peruse a copy while trying on baubles that range from $650 to $750,000.
Another sighting of Brand Ivanka appeared in the Post last week: A big Page 3 photo showed her and Mr. Kushner shopping inside the Union Square Kmart. The “honeymoon tycoons” are described as “gazillionaires” who “hunt for bargains.” There's no mention that Kmart is a sponsor of The Apprentice.
(“It's a coincidence,” Mr. Trump says. “They love a bargain.”)
Ms. Trump also will appear this month on a residential real estate panel at an event produced by the Observer. Her photo graces the Internet ad, even though fellow panelists Prudential Elliman's Dottie Herman and Halstead's Diane Ramirez are veterans of the field.
Two of Ms. Trump's brothers, Donald Jr. and Eric, are executive vice presidents in the family company. Donald Jr. is also a judge on The Apprentice. Both men also help extend the Trump brand to a younger generation. Yet it is Ms. Trump who seems to attract most of the attention.
“She is like me,” says The Donald
“I think part of the reason is that she is a beautiful woman,” her father says. “But she is like me: She loves the public, she loves to be out there.”
Her photo was part of an ad campaign for the Trump Soho, a condo hotel set to open next year. But her pretty face could not mask problems with the project, which has been plagued by bad press and delays—including a holdup after the death of a construction worker, which highlighted building violations at the site.
One insider says it's likely that lenders will foreclose on the hotel, which is being built by the Sapir Organization and Bayrock Group and managed by the Trumps. So it's possible that the first project closely associated with Ms. Trump may fail.
Ms. Trump has promoted other luxury resorts that bear the family name. She was even on the board of publicly held Trump Casinos along with her father. And she resigned along with him earlier this year, a few days before the company filed for bankruptcy for the third time.
Now Mr. Trump is battling with bondholders over who should control the gambling operation that bears his name. It's been years since he's been involved in running the casinos, but now he says he thinks his presence can “create excitement” that will draw crowds to Atlantic City. The case won't be resolved for months.
But there are plenty of other projects to keep him and his family busy. Mr. Trump says he loves working with his children, because they “get to spend more time together.”
So, would The Donald recommend that Ivanka and his new son-in-law (“he's a great guy, a great guy”) team up on a project?
“I don't think it is a good idea,” he says. “When it works, it can be great, but when it doesn't, I think it would be really ugly.”
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I agree by no means does formal education = smartness. I know plenty of idiots who attended ivy leagues. I would say she's a great business women, but one poster said she was highly 'educated'. I think there is a difference between being highly educated and having a certain business know how and being sharp minded. My own father is a successful business man - but dropped out of college. I don't think he's highly educated, but do I think he's a smart man? and a good business man? yes.
Same goes for Ivanka and the Donald.
That's just my own personal opinion though.
Thanks for the article Boomer.
Wow, I knew Jared's management of the observer was pretty much a failure but I had no idea his family situation was equally messed up. Also surprised they aren't on Forbes 400 list.
Do you think all this had any bearing on what you implied was Donald's reticence to this union?
I used to think that but with all the info Boomer has been posting, I have changed my mind.
Donald didn't build anything, he inherited his business, which he eventually drove into bankruptcy. These days, he seems to be mostly leasing his name.
Ivanka hasn't accomplished anything substantial yet but it seems she is taking the same path as dad: riding on his tailcoat professionally and trading on reputation and appearances (i.e., posing languorously on billboards to attract clients).
It seems to me what that family is really good at is P.R. and saving their skin while their investors get s****ed when their business deals go belly up.
Wow, I knew Jared's management of the observer was pretty much a failure but I had no idea his family situation was equally messed up. Also surprised they aren't on Forbes 400 list.
Do you think all this had any bearing on what you implied was Donald's reticence to this union?
I don't know about that.
I used to think that but with all the info Boomer has been posting, I have changed my mind.
Donald didn't build anything, he inherited his business, which he eventually drove into bankruptcy. These days, he seems to be mostly leasing his name.
Ivanka hasn't accomplished anything substantial yet but it seems she is taking the same path as dad: riding on his tailcoat professionally and trading on reputation and appearances (i.e., posing languorously on billboards to attract clients).
It seems to me what that family is really good at is P.R. and saving their skin while their investors get s****ed when their business deals go belly up.
Well, that is only part of the picture- his bankruptcy problems (until recently anyway) were involved with the casinos, not the real estate, which is a totally separate company. Many of Donald's early projects were nothing short of brilliant, and his father actually was against the first few (until they became wildly successful...) but more and more Donald is free and loose using other people's money to try and build questionable projects, and when they don't work out he walks away from them and leaves everybody else holding the bag (or debt...)- blameless, needless to say.... Wayne Barrett wrote a brilliant book called "Trump: The Deals and the Downfall" that goes into staggering detail about all of this, if anyone is crazy enough to want to read about it all...
Unfortunately, Ivanka and Donald Jr are right in the middle of the most recent mess, which is irrelevant for us here...And I don't think there was a very good relationship between Donald and Jared's father long before Ivanka got involved with Jared- let's face it, Ivanka could have had almost any guy, and Jared and the cloud over he and his family were no one else's idea of an ideal husband for her...And when Jared's parents did this "she's not for you" routine that basically broke them up at one point- you can imagine how Donald took that- his Princess not being good enough....
Anyway- here are a bunch of videos of young Ms Trump..! B)
http://donald-trump.net/ivanka-trump-conan-3-16-07/
you know Boomer, I was always quite puzzled about the whole thing. I mean, from a pragmatic (ha - Trumplike!) standpoint..
Jared's background is far from pristine what with his father's dubious dealings and fall from grace...Jared himself doesn't tend to be glamour friendly (or is that just me?
) and the whole Jewish thing just seems a tad ridiculous and pushing it. Isn't Ivana in the better position to be choosy here? Why kowtow to inlaws who seem to be both dubious and demanding?well..a puzzle.
^ Yup! Just about the only really positive spin I can put on this is that it really and truly is love!! She is certainly a smart, level headed girl so I really can't find any other explaniation for it! Not what I (or just about anyone else) was expecting, but if they're happy I guess that's all that matters in the long run.. But it is surprising...
Ivanka will be very involved in the (attempted) buy out of the casino company with the court and bondholders in January- I expect to see a lot of her in New Jersey then...this might be interesting...(Besides,I miss the suggestive billboards of Ivanka in revealing cocktail dresses...)
Ivanka will be very involved in the (attempted) buy out of the casino company with the court and bondholders in January- I expect to see a lot of her in New Jersey then...this might be interesting...(Besides,I miss the suggestive billboards of Ivanka in revealing cocktail dresses...)
Thanks Boomer for the fairer assessment of Donald's business acumen, I stand corrected.
When you marry someone you marry that person's family too, and it doesn't look good for Ivanka.
Even putting aside the fact that they have a trashier record than the Trumps, I find super disturbing that she is the one doing all the concessions and also find disturbing Jared was such a p**** and didn't stand by her.
I personally would never change religion for a guy, I would tell him to heff off if he was putting this as a condition for marriage, and I couldn't not respect him, let alone love him, if he was bending to family pressures and dump me because of that.
I hope Ivanka knows what she's doing.
Well, on this one I am totally team Donald.Let's face it, Ivanka could have had almost any guy, and Jared and the cloud over he and his family were no one else's idea of an ideal husband for her...And when Jared's parents did this "she's not for you" routine that basically broke them up at one point- you can imagine how Donald took that- his Princess not being good enough....
When you marry someone you marry that person's family too, and it doesn't look good for Ivanka.
Even putting aside the fact that they have a trashier record than the Trumps, I find super disturbing that she is the one doing all the concessions and also find disturbing Jared was such a p**** and didn't stand by her.
I personally would never change religion for a guy, I would tell him to heff off if he was putting this as a condition for marriage, and I couldn't not respect him, let alone love him, if he was bending to family pressures and dump me because of that.
I hope Ivanka knows what she's doing.
^Here's another thought: Jared went to a very strict Jewish school in New Jersey (Frisch) before his miraculous admission to Harvard 
innocent, so he had that background and upbringing...Why was he seriously dating and obviously discussing marriage to a Christian girl if his beliefs (as opposed to his family's beliefs) were going to be an issue? The serious Jewish kids I grew up with pretty much accepted that, other than casual fun, you did not go with non-Jewish girls- it just is not done...It just looks like the family was calling the shots- if it were his own deeply held religious beliefs, he wouldn't have started a serious relationship with Ivanka to begin with...And as for her conversion- well, it just seems like the price she had to pay to become 'acceptable', I somehow doubt it was a heartfelt, personal thing within her...
innocent, so he had that background and upbringing...Why was he seriously dating and obviously discussing marriage to a Christian girl if his beliefs (as opposed to his family's beliefs) were going to be an issue? The serious Jewish kids I grew up with pretty much accepted that, other than casual fun, you did not go with non-Jewish girls- it just is not done...It just looks like the family was calling the shots- if it were his own deeply held religious beliefs, he wouldn't have started a serious relationship with Ivanka to begin with...And as for her conversion- well, it just seems like the price she had to pay to become 'acceptable', I somehow doubt it was a heartfelt, personal thing within her...
