No Small Price To Pay For Denim Perfection

[Spacemiu]

that's where i go to school!
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my friend goes to Swathmore to.

Thosu jeans look great droogist*

 

[Alejandro]

all I know is that I ain't payng 2 mill. for J.ho jeans

 

[EdK]

those are very nice droogist, dang your lucky husband. thats too much for a pair of jeans, if i had the money id get um though.

 

[xcoldricex]

my friend goes to Swathmore to.

Thosu jeans look great droogist*

who might that be?

 

[xcoldricex]

Yeah, that "logo" is a single thread...but if I stop to think about those girls hand-stitching it onto every pair of jeans, I don't dare contemplate taking it out!

Interesting, you're the first person to make the Burgess connection...that's not actually why I chose the name though. "Droog" is the Dutch word for "dry," translated both literally and figuratively; so if you call someone "droog," it generally means they have a dry sense of humor. Which I've been told that I have.

true true, i don't think i could bring myself to do it either. but i like something more discreet. my 45rpms just have a very small R on one of the pockets.

hm, i remember reading about the sources burgess used to derive the language in clockwork orange. i'm sure dutch was one of them.. but yeah, in sixth grade i attempted to learn enough vocabulary to carry a conversation in that language.... haha i'm such a nerd

 

[droogist]

OMG, I did the same thing! For a short while I actually started to use the word "devotchka" in casual conversation. Just shameful, really.

 

[faust]

true true, i don't think i could bring myself to do it either. but i like something more discreet. my 45rpms just have a very small R on one of the pockets.

hm, i remember reading about the sources burgess used to derive the language in clockwork orange. i'm sure dutch was one of them.. but yeah, in sixth grade i attempted to learn enough vocabulary to carry a conversation in that language.... haha i'm such a nerd

Actually, all those words are Russian.

On Topic:

Yohji Yamamoto is setting the bar higher. I just saw $880 jeans in his boutique. Argh...

 

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Actually, all those words are Russian.

On Topic:

Yohji Yamamoto is setting the bar higher. I just saw $880 jeans in his boutique. Argh...

yeah that's quite insane...i saw a pair of Yohji jeans on Luisa Via Roma from the current season that cost somewhere in the high 700 Euros...I'm guessing that's the same pair? Those were a very nice pair of jeans.

 

[AlexN]

^They'd better come will some 100 dollar bills stuffed in the pockets.

 

[Johnny]

yeah that's quite insane...i saw a pair of Yohji jeans on Luisa Via Roma from the current season that cost somewhere in the high 700 Euros...I'm guessing that's the same pair? Those were a very nice pair of jeans.

I've actually thought about getting them! But it is ridiculous, I know. I think they are lovely though. Haven't seen them in person, just the pic on Luisa Via... Amazingly, they are sold out in one store in the UK that stocks YY that I know of!!!

 

[faust]

I've actually thought about getting them! But it is ridiculous, I know. I think they are lovely though. Haven't seen them in person, just the pic on Luisa Via... Amazingly, they are sold out in one store in the UK that stocks YY that I know of!!!

Johnny, there is no rhyme or reson to pay $880 for jeans!!!

AlexN, that's a good idea. Five pockets = $500. That would make them $380 - not that cheap either

 

[miss6o]

i would

i pay gladly 200-250 for my miss sixty jeans or any good denim....

 

[shoexgal]

I drop 200 on jeans like that, but with anything else, and I mean anything, I would regret

 

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The Yohji raw denims in dark blue and black this season were really nice, they were done in a durable selvedge...but $430 (i think the price was somewhere around there) is too much for me to pay for some raw jeans, and i missed em on sale... I wish they were cut a bit more slim though, IMO as far as designer jeans go, nobody uses better quality denim than Yohji! A jean with Yohji denim and Dior cut would be the perfect pair of jeans...I wish YY would come out with jeans more often.

 

[faust]

The Yohji raw denims in dark blue and black this season were really nice, they were done in a durable selvedge...but $430 (i think the price was somewhere around there) is too much for me to pay for some raw jeans, and i missed em on sale... I wish they were cut a bit more slim though, IMO as far as designer jeans go, nobody uses better quality denim than Yohji! A jean with Yohji denim and Dior cut would be the perfect pair of jeans...I wish YY would come out with jeans more often.

2nd.

 

[Johnny]

He likes baggy pants generally though doesn't he? Doesn't really do the Dior look - kind of anti-Dior actually.

I'd say the nearest to what you describe are APC slim cuts. 45rpms also, although thye're more classic 501 cut (quite slim but not Dior slim).

 

[Edina Monsoon]

Jeans.......

I am always completely baffled by premium denim - how can anyone care? I am by no means against expensive clothes, but really consumers need to investigate what they are spending and why!

Jeans are the least creative, most asinine garments comprehendable. They are useful as workwear but as a look they only serve to express how massclusivity has de-railed fashion. It is not a case of designers creating cutting edge, ultra sexy styles and charging prices in keeping with the cost of development, technique and research; rather it is the ultimate way to keep the retail market afloat. Any uninspired automaton can wear jeans and manufacturers know this, hence we have a position where the most basic but saleable commodities in fashion are turned into exclusive, newsworthy pieces.

With such a hoopla being made over jeans, when people start to think of them as masterpieces of design, is it any wonder that fashion's real artists (Lang, Sander, McQueen etc) are in such a predicament? Premium denims are the equivalent of the old nylon Prada handbags, a hugely marked up way of broadcasting that you are both solvent and in the know. This is a milestone in the utter destruction and reduction of a great artform. Premium denim is even more insipid even than logo and slogan t-shirts, precisely because it masquerades as being cool and a exclusive, so full of ersatz elitist snobbery.

You have to think about where the hell these companies came from, companies set up a year or so ago, and already making millions. They are opportunists and worse they know very well of, and work well with, planned obsolescence. That is to say, these products have an in-built time limit which decrees most pointedly that they have a very short life of usefulness. Apparently Seven (the former Queen of high end jeans) are now de trop, how long before the whole aristocracy of P.D. is deposed? Once it is decided that denim is over (next year maybe?) then where will we be but out of pocket?

Of course there will be something else, costing even more and promising ever greater social glorification, waiting for us. Something even easier to process, warranting even less of our time to think about, leaving us ever more time to buy, buy, buy and brag, brag, brag.

 

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yeah in general Yohji/Y's stuff is quite baggy...from what i've seen occasionally there'll be some fitted pieces, but only with tops (based on my experience). The cut of the clothes from the Y's line is getting slimmer, but they're still long in terms of body/sleeve, so yeah it's definitely quite different from Dior's short, tight cuts. However I find some of his tops actually go quite well with Dior pants. The runway pics of the jeans from Yohji's s/s 05 actually made them seem kind of slim/tapered and extra long, but in stores the pants looked significantly wider.

 

[faust]

I am always completely baffled by premium denim - how can anyone care? I am by no means against expensive clothes, but really consumers need to investigate what they are spending and why!

Jeans are the least creative, most asinine garments comprehendable. They are useful as workwear but as a look they only serve to express how massclusivity has de-railed fashion. It is not a case of designers creating cutting edge, ultra sexy styles and charging prices in keeping with the cost of development, technique and research; rather it is the ultimate way to keep the retail market afloat. Any uninspired automaton can wear jeans and manufacturers know this, hence we have a position where the most basic but saleable commodities in fashion are turned into exclusive, newsworthy pieces.

With such a hoopla being made over jeans, when people start to think of them as masterpieces of design, is it any wonder that fashion's real artists (Lang, Sander, McQueen etc) are in such a predicament? Premium denims are the equivalent of the old nylon Prada handbags, a hugely marked up way of broadcasting that you are both solvent and in the know. This is a milestone in the utter destruction and reduction of a great artform. Premium denim is even more insipid even than logo and slogan t-shirts, precisely because it masquerades as being cool and a exclusive, so full of ersatz elitist snobbery.

You have to think about where the hell these companies came from, companies set up a year or so ago, and already making millions. They are opportunists and worse they know very well of, and work well with, planned obsolescence. That is to say, these products have an in-built time limit which decrees most pointedly that they have a very short life of usefulness. Apparently Seven (the former Queen of high end jeans) are now de trop, how long before the whole aristocracy of P.D. is deposed? Once it is decided that denim is over (next year maybe?) then where will we be but out of pocket?

Of course there will be something else, costing even more and promising ever greater social glorification, waiting for us. Something even easier to process, warranting even less of our time to think about, leaving us ever more time to buy, buy, buy and brag, brag, brag.

very good post, but we know this already , i think you'll find many similar sounding complaints from plenty of people (including myself) here, probably even in this thread if you read through it. welcome to tFS. can i borrow the "massclusivity" term - i like it!

Johnny, completely agree with you on Yohji's style.

 

[Edina Monsoon]

Well, if there was a post that here already that said what I felt I obviously wouldn't have repeated it. As it was I haven't yet seen a Marxist critique of jeanswear on the fashion spot! Please feel free to use "massclusivity" to your heart's content though I can not take credit for coinning it.