Out Of Season

[firenze13]

Nothing is ever out of fashion.If you wear what you like you will always look fashionable.

 

[Lena]

i absolutely agree*


*apart from some horrible fashion crimes that should never ever have been 'in season' (white stilleto heels, faded low low rise jeans with thongs showing, etc etc)

 

[softgrey]

Originally posted by firenze13@Mar 10th, 2004 - 10:11 am
Nothing is ever out of fashion.If you wear what you like you will always look fashionable.

maybe it's just semantics...but in fashion and stylish are different to me...

in fashion has to do with seasonal trends in the market.

style has to do with how you personally wear the pieces you purchase...

one can have great style without being in fashion...and one can be in fashion without having any personal style...

regardless...i thought we were just trying to predict what the market was going to put forward as 'out' for next season in this thread...i think we all agree on what makes a person stylish..no?

 

[Lena]

2 euro cents

the way fashion has been 'translating' itself on the catwalks (and thats for the last three to five seasons) it's true ... 'nothing is really 'out' of fashion anymore'

much more for fall winter 04.05 where lots of styles are just a continuation from last winter (see animal prints, plaids, pleated skirts, knee lengths, retro-vintage-50's etc etc )
fashion is less a 'dogmatic affair' in a sense of 'wear this / dont wear that', we get liberated to wear whatever we like and mix it in a personal way...
reminds me of my mom's friends
knowing that i'm working with fashion and trends, they ask me all the time for 'fashion lengths' or 'fashion colours'..
they are stuck in a time when it was just one/two fashionable colours around, or one length the days of fashion dictatorship are far gone.. but it seems some people have not realised this yet

today we can wear whatever we like, the one 'dogma' is to wear IT with personality and humour, to pose less, feel less 'uptight' or important, just have fun and enjoy combining things together.

 

[softgrey]

speaking as someone who has always had a personal style which wasn't always fashionable, i sincerely hope that this becomes the case...in NYC fashion circles, however, it gets a bit more complicated...

i'm really excited, because i think that for a change i will actually be stylish AND in fashion for a change...while it's nice to be unique...sometimes it can really make one feel like a freak...especially when i'm in cdg and everyone else is wearing marc jacobs...i'd like to see more people shed the uniform of fashion and express their individual style...

while that has been put forth for several seasons now...i find that the fashion crowd is still a bunch of sheep...everyone just trying to fit in...very few individualists

i find this ridiculous...if fashion people can't even express some personal style, what does that say...pretty disappointing to me..

what's it like where you are?

 

[faust]

Originally posted by softgrey@Mar 10th, 2004 - 2:35 pm
speaking as someone who has always had a personal style which wasn't always fashionable, i sincerely hope that this becomes the case...in NYC fashion circles, however, it gets a bit more complicated...

i'm really excited, because i think that for a change i will actually be stylish AND in fashion for a change...while it's nice to be unique...sometimes it can really make one feel like a freak...especially when i'm in cdg and everyone else is wearing marc jacobs...i'd like to see more people shed the uniform of fashion and express their individual style...

while that has been put forth for several seasons now...i find that the fashion crowd is still a bunch of sheep...everyone just trying to fit in...very few individualists

i find this ridiculous...if fashion people can't even express some personal style, what does that say...pretty disappointing to me..

what's it like where you are?

well, you just took the words right out of my mouth. If the fashion ehh "elite" <chuckle> dresses like sheep, what's left for others? Americans, unlike Europeans, are much more influenced by trends - precisely BECAUSE fashion for the masses is something entirely new here. Up to several years ago it was either Gap or Barneys - only now there is becoming a fair amount of affordable and more or less stylish clothes (which still has much left to be desired quality-wise). Therefore, you have the masses of styleless trying to look stylish - naturally they turn to magazines with the glad eyes of sheep starved for grass. Also, thanks to the recent economic boom of the late 90's the general population has more money than they did before - unfortunately it can't by style, like Softgrey's signature says.

I think a deeper problem runs paralle peculiar to the American society - which is all about conformity (and not just in style) - everyone has to look the same, talk the same, walk the same. It's pretty sad, actually. I'm all for individuality and diversity, I always place the individual above the society.

However, there are circles in NYC that aspire to individualism in style and in culture in general - and that's one of the reasons I live here.

Softgrey, I'm keeping my fingers crossed right along with you, but I am much less optimistic on the trendless America

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by softgrey@Mar 10th, 2004 - 10:35 pm
i'm really excited, because i think that for a change i will actually be stylish AND in fashion for a change...while it's nice to be unique...sometimes it can really make one feel like a freak ...i'd like to see more people shed the uniform of fashion and express their individual style...

while that has been put forth for several seasons now...i find that the fashion crowd is still a bunch of sheep...everyone just trying to fit in...very few individualists

i find this ridiculous...if fashion people can't even express some personal style, what does that say...pretty disappointing to me..

what's it like where you are?

you are soooo right.. I 'study' the fashion crowd while in Paris
when they flock for the new fabrics and the shows...

you can spot on the 'conformists' and those are not nessesarily Americans.
but still they are cute, they are trying so hard and its so obvious.
then there is the 'new generation' that can be fresh and often creative,
not taking 'fashion' too serious, daring to be themselves, leading not
following style.

since becoming an 'individualist' is just a new trend,
fashionistas will eventually need to really give it a good try and
express themselves, in a personal mix. wearing what you saw
on the catwalk or in the latest editorial will just not do the trick anymore.

for some its lots of fun, for others it's a tiny bit hard to imagine,
but this is the new attitude.
the new trend surprisingly starts from the "lux client" group,
which eventually ended up looking all the same,
(holding the same bags, wearing the same shoes, same hair etc).
it can get boring after a while..
the new idea for the lux client is to mix and match
throwing in some vintage, discovering unheard of designers,
mixing them with something 'lux', reviving personal faves from seasons past.
as if trends never existed.. thats the new trend.

spot how fashionable people dont want to look like each other anymore,
they want to surprise and inspire, to get a style they can call their own.
individualism, is just another trend, the element of uniqueness,
creativity, dare-do and surprise.. individually

 

[firenze13]

Lena and softgrey I completely agree with u guys