^ But I think tigerrouge's point was that other forms of entertainment that focus on a war story don't seek to educate either. Take Saving Private Ryan for example, even though it was a very personal sort of story, it wasn't being viewed as education. Even if it was intended to educate, most if not all people went to see it to be entertained whether by the action or the drama.
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IMO, i think these are fine
in what way do those people find them offensive? i am intrigue to know
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I see that the other servant girls are a tad darker. They also have their hair up. Now, this is not an analysis because I see nothing wrong either, but if we're pointing stuff out symbolically...
What do u mean by nieve?
so is colour what this is about? well u have a point, but like HeaTk said, all I see is a bunch of pretty women, not the colour. I think it depends on what kind of person you are, if you often have this racial thing in mind, then maybe you see differently?
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About the Vogue Italia editorial, being a photographer who works in the fashion industry doesn't exclude you from also being a person living and feeling on planet earth... 
it's not like Meisel's profession makes him less worthy than others to have something to say about war! Making an editorial about it seems like the obvious thing to do; he is working and expressing himself within his chosen medium. My only problem with the editorial is its quality. It really lacks a clear, consistent statement and that makes it too easy to write off as tasteless fluff.
it's not like Meisel's profession makes him less worthy than others to have something to say about war! Making an editorial about it seems like the obvious thing to do; he is working and expressing himself within his chosen medium. My only problem with the editorial is its quality. It really lacks a clear, consistent statement and that makes it too easy to write off as tasteless fluff.but how come the BLACK women are serving the WHITE one who is always framed at the center and as the center of attention and not the other way around?
if no one was thinking about it when they made the images, then they are really just stuck in the same rut of representing blacks as subordinate to whites that is emblematized by the long history of racial prejudice. if they did do it intentionally, then its obviously pretty racist.
if no one was thinking about it when they made the images, then they are really just stuck in the same rut of representing blacks as subordinate to whites that is emblematized by the long history of racial prejudice. if they did do it intentionally, then its obviously pretty racist.
What do u mean by nieve?
so is colour what this is about? well u have a point, but like HeaTk said, all I see is a bunch of pretty women, not the colour. I think it depends on what kind of person you are, if you often have this racial thing in mind, then maybe you see differently?
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What do u mean by nieve?
so is colour what this is about? well u have a point, but like HeaTk said, all I see is a bunch of pretty women, not the colour. I think it depends on what kind of person you are, if you often have this racial thing in mind, then maybe you see differently?
Maybe considering the people behind the ad will make it clearer why this is offensive.. The people who specifically chose those models (as models are usually chosen---for the way they look, in which skin color obviously plays a huge part) were deliberately trying to make some sort of statement OR simply taking the easy way out by relying upon traditionally offensive imagery instead of being innovative (in which case the lack of foresight regarding how people might react is just irresponsible). To respond to that statement or the lack of creativity isn't just being overly sensitive or too concerned with race issues, but perceptive and critical where criticism is perfectly justified. Personally, I think it's an ugly, hurtful waste of paper and adspace. There are other ways to exemplify luxury. Slavery is so last millenium.
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I found it ironic that Bar (who is Israeli) was being served by "African" slaves. But no one but me seemed to get the irony of it 
About the Vogue Italia editorial, being a photographer who works in the fashion industry doesn't exclude you from also being a person living and feeling on planet earth...
Meisel has grown up between chanel make-up and vogue magazines, I really doubt he has idea about what war is, if he had it those pictures wouldn't have been photographed.
does he want to say something about war? ok, then go Irak, take your pictures and let see what he finds, he would come back so traumatized that would disappear of the fashion world.
^ Who gives a crap if he's never seen it first hand. You don't have to live directly involved in something to be allowed to express yourself regarding it, no matter how shallow that expression may be.
Why should Meisel have to walk on eggshells regarding a situation that has swallowed up the world as we know it. If it was strictly an artpiece, would people be criticizing it as they are now, or praising the daring statement it's making. I think this all goes back to the idea that because it's fashion, it doesn't really matter and therefore has no business being a part of the real world.
Why should Meisel have to walk on eggshells regarding a situation that has swallowed up the world as we know it. If it was strictly an artpiece, would people be criticizing it as they are now, or praising the daring statement it's making. I think this all goes back to the idea that because it's fashion, it doesn't really matter and therefore has no business being a part of the real world.
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Um,I don't like the Meisel ed because it sucks, first of all, plus the timing was horrible and it has no real message except "OMG, oiled men frolicking with girls in expensive dresses". Yeah, so daring.
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I've showed the Tom Ford ads to a straight guy and he loves it. so tom ford is not totally off his bonkers.
But if that's all it is then why are som many people up in arms about it?
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pBut if that's all it is then why are som many people up in arms about it?
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