I’ve seen this cover from her many times before. It’s fine to have a brand but is it really creativity to repeat the exact thing without variation several times? Her team is definitely careful with her branding but if they really want to make her into THAT star, they really need to experiment. That’s why I’m reserving my verdict after her second album. The girl has potential, but they shouldn’t be too stuck up their noses.
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UK GQ July/August 2020 : Billie Eilish by Danielle Levitt
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YES!! This is her Vogue US cover that I saw a a couple of months ago. She has her own style, no doubt, but it could be something even greater if they were willing to play with her image a bit more - like Phuel said. Maybe it will happen.. she is still pretty young, and maybe she is still trying to portray a certain image for her fans before she switches things up a bit.
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Oh god! "Unlike a true talent like Lorde" here we go again with the misogynst comments that put women to compete between each other. *roll eyes*
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Are kidz these days capable of responding to criticism other than the predictable accusations of racism/sexism/misogyny/bigotry????
She’s a singer with a good voice that’s marketed towards the suburban tweens as an alternative to clean-cut Taylor Swifts/Selena Gomez/Ariana Grande with her urban gothy gimmick. At least have some fun with the gimmick cuz teen girls are fickle and won’t stan you next year when you’re still doing the same old same old and they’ve moved on.
She has an effortless androgyny to her facial features—which would have lend itself so naturally to her being styled in menswear (for a men’s rag after all) and come across as a gorgeous young man, only to be revealed as… It’s Billie... But then again, some Twitter-SJW would likely feign faux-outrage that a “straight” girl is appropriating lesbian chic/gender-fluidity/non-binary etc etc :rolls eyes:
She’s a singer with a good voice that’s marketed towards the suburban tweens as an alternative to clean-cut Taylor Swifts/Selena Gomez/Ariana Grande with her urban gothy gimmick. At least have some fun with the gimmick cuz teen girls are fickle and won’t stan you next year when you’re still doing the same old same old and they’ve moved on.
She has an effortless androgyny to her facial features—which would have lend itself so naturally to her being styled in menswear (for a men’s rag after all) and come across as a gorgeous young man, only to be revealed as… It’s Billie... But then again, some Twitter-SJW would likely feign faux-outrage that a “straight” girl is appropriating lesbian chic/gender-fluidity/non-binary etc etc :rolls eyes:
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^^ Honey, you can criticize whatever you want without being racist/sexist/misogynist/bigot, is easier than you think.
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That’s exactly my point: There’s not a whiff of misogyny in my comparison.
Tell me, what precisely is “misogynistic” about holding Lorde as the high standard of excellence in her genre and being critical of Billie??? Lorde is a singer/songwriter who also contributes to producing her music: She crafts her teendom in her own words and worldbuilds with a distinctive sound that she contributes the production to. She lives and marinates in her melancholy and angst. This is the brand Billie also presents— but she doesn’t write nor produce any of her “melancholic/angsty” material. The comparison is a fair one.
There is not a single teen boy that is comparable in the genre: They’re all chirpy/happy/shiny teen idols. So would you feel better had I plucked a random male teen idol? Or would you likely trot out the predictable “sexist” accusation of comparing a woman to a man?
Tell me, what precisely is “misogynistic” about holding Lorde as the high standard of excellence in her genre and being critical of Billie??? Lorde is a singer/songwriter who also contributes to producing her music: She crafts her teendom in her own words and worldbuilds with a distinctive sound that she contributes the production to. She lives and marinates in her melancholy and angst. This is the brand Billie also presents— but she doesn’t write nor produce any of her “melancholic/angsty” material. The comparison is a fair one.
There is not a single teen boy that is comparable in the genre: They’re all chirpy/happy/shiny teen idols. So would you feel better had I plucked a random male teen idol? Or would you likely trot out the predictable “sexist” accusation of comparing a woman to a man?
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In the moment you brought Lorde on the coversation that has absolutely nothing to do in this conversation and made the comparison.
Don't get me wrong, is ok to have high standards, I have mine and I'm sure every member here has its own, but qualify Billie's skills based in other woman's ones is not ok.
Ask yourself, why people demands more to female artists than male ones? How many times you see people compare Justin Bieber and Shawn Mendes or Justin Timberlake and Bruno Mars? 100% sure less than Britney and Christina or Gaga and Madonna. And that is the reason why the comparison is misogynist.
Don't get me wrong, is ok to have high standards, I have mine and I'm sure every member here has its own, but qualify Billie's skills based in other woman's ones is not ok.
Ask yourself, why people demands more to female artists than male ones? How many times you see people compare Justin Bieber and Shawn Mendes or Justin Timberlake and Bruno Mars? 100% sure less than Britney and Christina or Gaga and Madonna. And that is the reason why the comparison is misogynist.
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Others comparisons and pitting women vs women may very well be everything you’re accusing them to be. But you’ve called out my post and dismissed it as “misogynist”. Where is the misogyny???
Completely disagree that Lorde is not relevant when discussing Billie: As explained, Lorde is a fair comparison as already outlined in a previous post— no need to reiterate. No single artist/singer creates out of a vacuum; they all are influenced/inspired by others. Oasis/Blur/Pulp and a host of all-male bands were/are still often compared and dismissed as The Beatles-wannabes. As for the guys you’ve mentioned: I don’t care about them and they’re all from the same template to sell to their tween market. There’s not a whiff of substance nor individuality in what they do-- nor are they proclaiming to be. Perhaps that’s why no one takes them seriously as artists and compare them to one another since they're all interchangeable…???
Completely disagree that Lorde is not relevant when discussing Billie: As explained, Lorde is a fair comparison as already outlined in a previous post— no need to reiterate. No single artist/singer creates out of a vacuum; they all are influenced/inspired by others. Oasis/Blur/Pulp and a host of all-male bands were/are still often compared and dismissed as The Beatles-wannabes. As for the guys you’ve mentioned: I don’t care about them and they’re all from the same template to sell to their tween market. There’s not a whiff of substance nor individuality in what they do-- nor are they proclaiming to be. Perhaps that’s why no one takes them seriously as artists and compare them to one another since they're all interchangeable…???
