Valentino S/S 2023 Paris

[Lola701]

Because he is trying to write his own Valentino story while being respectful to the current trend I mean Valentino legacy or whatever

I feel like he is struggling at that. He does beautiful clothes, the image of Valentino is intact but i feel like the lack of consistency, the trunk show aspect of his shows makes it difficult to have a real vision of his Valentino. Yes he did big bold gowns and strong color blocking for Couture but it’s not as strong as when he was with MGC.

It’s a pity that he does gimmicks because Valentino is actually one of the house that manages to make serious clothes desirable for all.

Balenciaga sells tshirts and sweatshirts but the majority of people don’t buy the tailoring or more serious proposition. Valentino is actually a brand people don’t mind buying a pair of insane heels, a minidress or a coat for. It’s a strength and he knows that but there’s something weird about his runway vision.

 

[Scotty]

What a mess.

 

[Bernie Flood]

I feel like he is struggling at that. He does beautiful clothes, the image of Valentino is intact but i feel like the lack of consistency, the trunk show aspect of his shows makes it difficult to have a real vision of his Valentino. Yes he did big bold gowns and strong color blocking for Couture but it’s not as strong as when he was with MGC.

It’s a pity that he does gimmicks because Valentino is actually one of the house that manages to make serious clothes desirable for all.

Balenciaga sells tshirts and sweatshirts but the majority of people don’t buy the tailoring or more serious proposition. Valentino is actually a brand people don’t mind buying a pair of insane heels, a minidress or a coat for. It’s a strength and he knows that but there’s something weird about his runway vision.

I just wish that he will separate the Valentino RTW and Couture aesthetics like what they did in their spring 2009 Valentino Couture debut where you can envisioned the likes of Nan Kempner and Gloria Guiness wearing it.

 

[Deleted member 7575]

I feel like he is struggling at that. He does beautiful clothes, the image of Valentino is intact but i feel like the lack of consistency, the trunk show aspect of his shows makes it difficult to have a real vision of his Valentino. Yes he did big bold gowns and strong color blocking for Couture but it’s not as strong as when he was with MGC.

That I agree with. They are both a lot better together.

They lifted each other up, countered the other's weakness with their strengths.

 

[bc collector]

Yes he did big bold gowns and strong color blocking for Couture but it’s not as strong as when he was with MGC.

Weirdly, one can say the opposite as well, that MG leaving allowed PP to reach new heights in his creativity. I, for one, do not miss MG for a second.
It's true that PP at the moment seems to be in a rut, but at the same time we should acknowledge how much he produced season after season in the part few years. The operatic, bold Valentino that we know and that a lot of lesser designers have referenced is PP's, not MG's. Then I think that translating that into RTW is a tough job.
Also, I wonder how much PP political stance and support of the inclusive cause can really be merged into the history of Valentino, a man and a brand that, for better or for worse, stand for the opposite.