2012 : is the world ending? and what happens after that?

[Filipe]

^That event happened to Pluto in 2006? I read that's impossible to predict, although it seems that's what the Mayans predict for December 21, 2012. And scientists say that it could make several earth quakes during the Polos shift & for that result end with the humanity. And I read also that was an event like that, that annihilated the Dinosaurs. Some people say the world renewed 3 times already, or that be, there was already 3 ends of the world & this is 4th "world's life".

 

[Deleted member 49693]

Someone told me that the end of the world will be more of a spiritual change rather than a physical one.

 

[Filipe]

^a spiritual change? could you explain yourself better. are you talking about the Judgement Day?

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ No, I don't believe so. I believe she's referring to the same upshift in consciousness that I was referring to.

My belief is that there is no such thing as a Judgment Day ... that when we die (and sometimes during an NDE as well), we have wise assistance in processing our own life and the lessons we should learn from it--what we did wrong and what we did right, what we could have done better. And in my view, karma is operational not only in this lifetime, but across lifetimes. IOW, we judge ourselves. You can do a version of this while you're alive too ...

 

[Echoes]

^^^ We are biological organisms. When we die, we're worm food, nothing more. Just another notch in the food chain.

Some people say the world renewed 3 times already, or that be, there was already 3 ends of the world & this is 4th "world's life".

The first three probably were without humans. Hopefully the fifth will be also and the planet will get a chance to heal from all the damage done by the human parasite infestation.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^^^ We are biological organisms. When we die, we're worm food, nothing more. Just another notch in the food chain.



The first three probably were without humans. Hopefully the fifth will be also and the planet will get a chance to heal from all the damage done by the human parasite infestation.

That is what happens to our bodies, yes.

There are people who have come back from near death experiences reporting having had a review experience. People have also described these reviews during past life regressions.

However, some people draw a distinction between white souls (e.g., Gandhi), grey souls, and black souls (e.g., Hitler). Based on what they say, someone like Hitler who has chosen the dark side wouldn't go through a review like this because he has no interest in learning anything. They are for souls who have an interest in learning and improving themselves. That isn't everyone.

 

[Deleted member 49693]

^ I believe too as I have seen spiritual beings twice in my life.

 

[Filipe]

^^^ We are biological organisms. When we die, we're worm food, nothing more. Just another notch in the food chain.

The first three probably were without humans. Hopefully the fifth will be also and the planet will get a chance to heal from all the damage done by the human parasite infestation.

So you believe that we humans born and die and after that, absolutely nothing of us stays? we gone, like we never ever existed?

What certain do you have the first 3 were without humans? if there was even 3. So if the planet would renew, heal itself, what's point of no having humans in the 5th "world's life"?

 

[tigerrouge]

^That event happened to Pluto in 2006? I read that's impossible to predict, although it seems that's what the Mayans predict for December 21, 2012.

Aye, the Pluto activity started in that area started in 2006, and continued for a while, with it moving across the Galactic Core. The first conjunction in 2006 happens 'once every 248 years' and the one in 2007 was a 'once every 26,000 years' event.

I think it was December 23rd 2007 that there was some sort of multi-planet alignment with the Galactic Centre, involving us, the Sun, Mars, Mercury and Jupiter - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(astronomy_and_astrology)#2007

So this big Mayan calendar stuff has been going on for ages now, with all sorts of significant happenings already behind us.

 

[Filipe]

^ No, I don't believe so. I believe she's referring to the same upshift in consciousness that I was referring to.

My belief is that there is no such thing as a Judgment Day ... that when we die (and sometimes during an NDE as well), we have wise assistance in processing our own life and the lessons we should learn from it--what we did wrong and what we did right, what we could have done better. And in my view, karma is operational not only in this lifetime, but across lifetimes. IOW, we judge ourselves. You can do a version of this while you're alive too ...

That's a very good point ... I don't know, I kinda believe that if there was an end of the world the Judgement Day would take place where Jesus comes to earth to save the white souls & kill the anti-christ. And Nostradamus predicted the only 3 anti-christ that would ever exist until the end of the world & he was correct about the 2 first, Napoleon & Hitler ... although he failed on the last one since he said it was Sadam but he's dead by now. Some people that believe the Judgement Day really can happen, think that's very nearly to occur.

One question for you, what do think about the crop circles ?

 

[tigerrouge]

I think the concept of Nostradamus plays on people's wishful thinking and their need for patterns and structure, where they take his vague words and seek to make them correspond to definite events after they have happened, to somehow prove he speaks the truth about the future. Retroactive clairvoyancy.

There have probably been hundreds of writers like Nostradamus through the years, predicting this-and-that, but somehow, he has become the famous name - just like there are thousands of writers or romance novelists, but of those people, only a handful go on to become lasting names. And that happens because of luck or connections or timing. The rest are forgotten, even though they may be more accurate or entertaining than the ones who become famous.

 

[Filipe]

^I agree, his really famous but it's not very reliable because made a lot of mistakes in his predictions.

Aye, the Pluto activity started in that area started in 2006, and continued for a while, with it moving across the Galactic Core. The first conjunction in 2006 happens 'once every 248 years' and the one in 2007 was a 'once every 26,000 years' event.

I think it was December 23rd 2007 that there was some sort of multi-planet alignment with the Galactic Centre, involving us, the Sun, Mars, Mercury and Jupiter - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(astronomy_and_astrology)#2007

So this big Mayan calendar stuff has been going on for ages now, with all sorts of significant happenings already behind us.

I see, thanks. so what you're saying is that the event that only occurs every 26,000 years occurred in 2007? shouldn't that made Polos' on earth to shift?
I don't think the real alignment that makes it happen involves other planets. it's the alignment with the Sun then in line, Earth & then Galatic Centre.

 

[Echoes]

So you believe that we humans born and die and after that, absolutely nothing of us stays? we gone, like we never ever existed?

Yup, that's pretty much it. It's only our vanities and bloated egos that lead us to believe in anything else.

What certain do you have the first 3 were without humans? if there was even 3. So if the planet would renew, heal itself, what's point of no having humans in the 5th "world's life"?

In 'geologic time' ( a time line of Earth's existance ), humans have only existed for a few short minutes. I don't know what the other person was referring to, but in my eye, the first three were no life at all, primordial ooze and plant life only, then evolving animal life including dinosaurs. Virtually all of the pollution and destruction of the Earth's resources have occured in the last 500 years or so, and it has ALL been at the hands of humans. As for the fifth stage, Earth does not need humans and can survive and thrive without us as it did for hundreds of millions of years before us. There is no point to humans. One of the classic and most profound quotes from any movie was in "The Day The Earth Stood Still"; 'If the Earth dies, you die. If you die, the Earth survives'.

 

[Echoes]

This Wiki article discusses the theoretical Geologic Calendar: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_Calendar

The Geologic Calendar is a scale in which the lifetime of the earth is mapped onto a calendrical year; that is to say, the day one of the earth took place on a geologic January 1 at precisely midnight, and today's date and time is December 31 at midnight.[1] On this calendar, the life on Earth arose on November 15, the first dinosaurs appeared on December 27th, the first flowers on December 30th and the first primates on December 31. The first humans did not arrive until around 11:56 p.m. on New Year's Eve, and all of human history has been recorded in the last 4 seconds.

 

[Filipe]

^Thanks for the article, you're great !

Yup, that's pretty much it. It's only our vanities and bloated egos that lead us to believe in anything else.

Nobody knows if there's life after death or not, so you can't make it as a fact.

In 'geologic time' ( a time line of Earth's existance ), humans have only existed for a few short minutes. I don't know what the other person was referring to, but in my eye, the first three were no life at all, primordial ooze and plant life only, then evolving animal life including dinosaurs. Virtually all of the pollution and destruction of the Earth's resources have occured in the last 500 years or so, and it has ALL been at the hands of humans. As for the fifth stage, Earth does not need humans and can survive and thrive without us as it did for hundreds of millions of years before us. There is no point to humans. One of the classic and most profound quotes from any movie was in "The Day The Earth Stood Still"; 'If the Earth dies, you die. If you die, the Earth survives'.

let the humans live ! ... for the earth to reach the fifth stage, it will need to renew itself, to go through several processes of destruction at the beginning & then built itself, so again, why not having humans in the fifth stage? they will they destroy the earth & then the earth will renew itself again.

 

[Filipe]

A Geological Time Scale

MILLIONS of people can name a single geologic period, the Jurassic. Nit-pickers did argue that the famous film should have been called Cretaceous Park, resting their case on the identification of the beginning and end of a distinct phase in Earth's history. This task lies at the heart of A Geologic Time Scale 2004, an academic and often highly technical book.

Two hundred years ago the principles of geology were established: the key to the age of the Earth and the way to discern the depths of geological time was by investigating strata, the layer cake of rocks and sediments laid down over millions of years. Geologists established that the Earth was far older than the few thousand years suggested by Bible scholars. Yet it is only 50 years or so ago that a revolution in techniques for determining the age of rocks took place. Geologists began to use radiometric dating, and overturned our understanding of those 4560 million years of deep time.

While readers of New Scientist will be aware of periods other than that famous Jurassic, the basic units of geological time will be less familiar. Known as stages - the Induan, for example - it can be immensely difficult to identify them within a period. Applying the radiometric method of dating to the boundaries of geological time that are marked by rock strata is also problematic. The book reviews the problem of linking time and rock, new measures of geologic time and the status of the all-important stage divisions. That so many are now securely dated with small error bars is a remarkable and ongoing success story.

newscientist.com

 

[tigerrouge]

If humans didn't exist, some other species would have exploited the opportunities.

You'd have a species of rampantly vegetarian reptiles who have managed to consume most of Earth's plant life. Or you'd have ants waging territorial warfare on an epic scale across the planet. If we didn't exist, then something else would have used the resources around them to breed like crazy and 'take over'. And once we cease to exist, something else will take our place.

 

[fashionista-ta]

If humans didn't exist, some other species would have exploited the opportunities.

You'd have a species of rampantly vegetarian reptiles who have managed to consume most of Earth's plant life. Or you'd have ants waging territorial warfare on an epic scale across the planet. If we didn't exist, then something else would have used the resources around them to breed like crazy and 'take over'. And once we cease to exist, something else will take our place.

I think we've probably been uniquely boneheaded ... take the invention of nuclear warfare as an example. And really, it's not all humans ... many cultures existed in complete harmony with the planet for thousands of years. It certainly can be done. We're really talking here about our own 'advanced' culture.

Echoes, I think you're overlooking the possibility that humans can evolve further to the point that we're not such idiots and such a danger to everything around us.

I agree with Filipe that we can't know for sure what happens after we die. Any dogmatic statements on any topic whatsoever are not to be trusted, in my view. I do think that our actions and our decisions can influence what happens, but I think our beliefs will make no difference whatsoever. I also believe that if my ideas are correct, they are just a faint shadow of the reality.

 

[Echoes]

take the invention of nuclear warfare as an example. And really, it's not all humans ... many cultures existed in complete harmony with the planet for thousands of years. It certainly can be done. We're really talking here about our own 'advanced' culture.

Echoes, I think you're overlooking the possibility that humans can evolve further to the point that we're not such idiots and such a danger to everything around us.

I'm not just talking about overtly toxic things. Humans have always been users. With rare exception we take more from the land than we put back. People cut down acres of timber so they can have a better view of the valley or lake below. They clearcut areas for subdivisions instead of just clearing the areas required to build. Even less developed regions like South America are clear cutting forests. We dam rivers and flood millions of acres crowding out natural species. We move into wild areas and kill off the natural wildlife because we consider THEM to be the predators and pests.

Sure there were less destructive cultures like the Native American tribes and the Mayans and the Aztecs, but where are they today? Wiped out or assimilated into current society.


But just to get back on track, maybe we should discuss what everyone will be wearing to the Gala party at the end of 2012. B)

 

[Filipe]

But just to get back on track, maybe we should discuss what everyone will be wearing to the Gala party at the end of 2012. B)

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