2012 : is the world ending? and what happens after that?

[tigerrouge]

Birthday suits.

 

[iluvjeisa]

That is what happens to our bodies, yes.

There are people who have come back from near death experiences reporting having had a review experience. People have also described these reviews during past life regressions.

However, some people draw a distinction between white souls (e.g., Gandhi), grey souls, and black souls (e.g., Hitler). Based on what they say, someone like Hitler who has chosen the dark side wouldn't go through a review like this because he has no interest in learning anything. They are for souls who have an interest in learning and improving themselves. That isn't everyone.

You know, there is not much indicating that Hitler wasn't interested in learning and improving himself. Quite the contrary, from everything I've read. It's a matter of how he wanted to improve and the lengths he was prepared to go in order to do so, which made it dark and evil.

 

[iluvjeisa]

In 'geologic time' ( a time line of Earth's existance ), humans have only existed for a few short minutes. I don't know what the other person was referring to, but in my eye, the first three were no life at all, primordial ooze and plant life only, then evolving animal life including dinosaurs. Virtually all of the pollution and destruction of the Earth's resources have occured in the last 500 years or so, and it has ALL been at the hands of humans. As for the fifth stage, Earth does not need humans and can survive and thrive without us as it did for hundreds of millions of years before us. There is no point to humans. One of the classic and most profound quotes from any movie was in "The Day The Earth Stood Still"; 'If the Earth dies, you die. If you die, the Earth survives'.

Pollution and destruction is only that in the sense of what is destroyed. When the ancestors of plants first emerged, creating oxygen in their path, this was destructive to some of the life forms of that time, and was hence a pollutant. Oxygen is hardly considered a pollutant now. Life adjusted to the change through evolution. And so it will continue to do, regardless of if humans change the composition of the atmosphere.

Save the big bomb of course, that should put a solid stop to things.

 

[iluvjeisa]

I'm not just talking about overtly toxic things. Humans have always been users. With rare exception we take more from the land than we put back.

We often forget the fact that we are the only predators who can even reflect on what we are doing. Our intelligence allows us to do things unprecedented on Earth (to our knowledge), both good and bad. But the tendency to take until satisfied at other's expense exists in all predators. It's more extraordinary that we stop to think, than that we take all we can and then some.

People cut down acres of timber so they can have a better view of the valley or lake below.

Just imagine what cats could do if they had the brains. That's what I'm waiting for. The feline thinker We wont be around for long, then, rest assured.

They clearcut areas for subdivisions instead of just clearing the areas required to build. Even less developed regions like South America are clear cutting forests. We dam rivers and flood millions of acres crowding out natural species. We move into wild areas and kill off the natural wildlife because we consider THEM to be the predators and pests.

Again, this is not specific to Homo sapiens. It's just that we CAN do it that makes it different.

Sure there were less destructive cultures like the Native American tribes and the Mayans and the Aztecs, but where are they today? Wiped out or assimilated into current society.

And they are assimilated because their populations were sparse. They were probably less destructive because there was less competition for food and were less disease ridden. The latter they probably had to pay dearly for when their virgin populations were confronted by the disease ridden European population.

 

[tigerrouge]

That said - about past lives - I was in the library the other day and happened upon a book about someone who does regressions for healing.

Leaving aside the veracity of the past lives phenomenon - certainly, the power of storytelling to help people reframe their problems, to rewrite their thoughts, to provide explanations from which they can feel 'cleansed' and 'move on', it probably greatly aids the psychosomatic side of recovering from a complaint.

 

[Echoes]

This is being discussed on the History Channel on "Decoding the Past". It seems it's not only the Mayans, but the ancient Chinese text "I Ching" that address this date and the unusual alignment of celestial bodies. The resulting gravitational pull could in theory cause the Earth to shift on it's axis; a theory supported by Albert Einstein and current science.

I haven't heard reference to a solar storm in this program though, only the discussion of the 2012 date.

 

[Filipe]

^yes I watched videos about it, although they do have 1 video about the effects that can cause a Sun Storm. but there's tons of videos about 2012 of the Masons, Nostradamus & Ancient Egyptians as well that predict it. the videos on their site don't work anymore though

I watched a video there some time ago, that if a huge volcano located in one of the Canary islands woke up, it would corrode most of island's earth & that huge part would part on the sea & would built a huge tsunami that would affect all the US cost & some part of the South America's cost.

 

[fashionista-ta]

You know, there is not much indicating that Hitler wasn't interested in learning and improving himself. Quite the contrary, from everything I've read. It's a matter of how he wanted to improve and the lengths he was prepared to go in order to do so, which made it dark and evil.

Certainly Hitler was very interested in 'improvement,' in 'making the world a better place,' he just had an incredibly perverted view of what would make it better.

What I was referring to was the interest of individual souls in evolving. In my view, individual souls take on a variety of 'assignments' in order to learn everything there is about being human. Being male, being female, being gay, being straight, being dependent, being independent, dying young, dying old ... the whole spectrum of experience. In the concept of black/grey/white souls, black souls don't do this.

 

[fashionista-ta]

And they are assimilated because their populations were sparse. They were probably less destructive because there was less competition for food and were less disease ridden. The latter they probably had to pay dearly for when their virgin populations were confronted by the disease ridden European population.

I don't believe the Native American population was sparse when our (my) ancestors got here. Little ideas like the Trail of Tears helped make it sparse ... and in addition to European diseases, the introduction of alcohol both then and now has been hugely destructive.

I guess we're a little off track here ... But in the Sun Storm 2012 thread, does it really matter?

 

[Filipe]

^the thread should be renamed to something that could cover all these interesting topics we have been talking about.

 

[fashionista-ta]

That said - about past lives - I was in the library the other day and happened upon a book about someone who does regressions for healing.

Leaving aside the veracity of the past lives phenomenon - certainly, the power of storytelling to help people reframe their problems, to rewrite their thoughts, to provide explanations from which they can feel 'cleansed' and 'move on', it probably greatly aids the psychosomatic side of recovering from a complaint.

If you're interested in this, I'd recommend reading the work of Dr Bryan Weiss. He was just a regular psychiatrist (well, Ivy League trained & I think he was president of whatever the equivalent of the AMA is) until he accidentally regressed one of his patients a few thousand years. I find his books absolutely fascinating ... people have told me they couldn't focus to read more than a few paragraphs, and when I gave them his book Many Lives, Many Masters, they couldn't put it down. I don't know if it was one of his books you ran into, but he does document what you're talking about ... he also has a very rigorous scientific approach that I find a little tedious at times, but undoubtedly many people appreciate that.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^the thread should be renamed to something that could cover all these interesting topics we have been talking about.

That would be a brilliant title indeed ... suggestions?

 

[Deleted member 49693]

Domesday & After-life discussion

 

[Filipe]

My suggestions from titles used on history channel's site that I think fixes pretty well: "Mysteries & Unexplained" or "History's Mysteries".

 

[Echoes]

That would be a brilliant title indeed ... suggestions?

End of Days -- Doomsday Theories & Prophecies

 

[Echoes]

I watched a video there some time ago, that if a huge volcano located in one of the Canary islands woke up, it would corrode most of island's earth & that huge part would part on the sea & would built a huge tsunami that would affect all the US cost & some part of the South America's cost.

It has woken up. I forget the name of it now, but it has erupted catastrophically in the past. There is evidence at least part of the island is missing, and they have been measuring current activity, watching for signs of growth. The theory is that another massive eruption would create a Lahar sending billions of metric tons of debris into the ocean. Estimates put the tidal wave in New York at well over 20'.

Then there are the remains of Krakatoa that is reactivating, building a new island volcano.

And of course, the massive Caldera volcano under Yellowstone National Park in Colorado and Wyoming that has begun to rise and tilt the nearby lake bottom, spilling water out of it.

In that program, they also mention the Hopi Indian tribe's belief in the end of the fourth world and what the fifth world might be like.

And don't forget the Gamma Ray bursts from deep space and the potential planet killing asteroid that is predicted to come 'too close' in the next few decades.

It's not a matter of 'if'. It's a matter of 'what' and 'when'. Which catastrophe is going to get us first and who, if anyone will survive. The other question is if anyone would want to survive the initial disaster and live in the hardships of a wasteland. The really spooky part of all this is that none of these ideas are beyond the realm of possibility. There is evidence that all of them have happened before to varying degrees.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ Sure, there are all kinds of catastrophic possibilities at all times ... but in my view, there is intelligence at work in the universe that is protective of what's happening here on our little planet. IMO something like this would not be allowed to happen, unless perhaps the planet was on the very verge of collapse anyway due to our own stupidity ... which, of course, it nearly is.

I don't think it's hopeless, but I do think it's very possible the planet has a limited life expectancy at this point. I think we are stressing the planet in all kinds of ways, some of which we don't even understand.

I would like to see us do everything we can to become better stewards so that those of us who are here now can live out our lives in relative comfort.

I see the shift in consciousness beginning, and I'm very interested to see what happens to, for instance, our financial institutions ... which seem to be largely corrupt in many ways and highly ... old school. I suspect that the old theories and conventional wisdom (put your money in stocks, things like that) may not be of much use in the years to come.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

And of course, the massive Caldera volcano under Yellowstone National Park in Colorado and Wyoming that has begun to rise and tilt the nearby lake bottom, spilling water out of it.

Yellowstone is in Wyoming, Montana and Idaho. I went there last June, beautiful park, so much of it in Wyoming is burnt out though.

 

[jennifer~]

I was reading about this Fifth World theory on wiki... "It is told that everyone will have to choose between the two Time frames—one leading to the Fifth World with our Earth, and the other (which will be very alluring, deceiving many) which will remove us from our Earth, taking us to oblivion." That puts a lot of pressure on me; I can be bribed with candy. Well, that might be the deciding factor. Oblivion or the convenience store for bulk candy? What is the asking price in oblivion; is it free and limitless? Something must make it worth the journey, so I'll assume yes... and yes. There might be some trouble ahead...

 

[Mchunu]

i kind of hope the world actually does end in 2012..as silly as it may sound o_O