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Dries van Noten F/W 2023.24 Paris

You can see the other posts above, it was never relating to a quality being inferior than. Thanks for your answer.

I did see your other posts and thought they were based on a lack of information on how this particular brand works re: their Indian production. It seems to be a persistent stereotype based on comments in this thread.
 
I did see your other posts and thought they were based on a lack of information on how this particular brand works re: their Indian production. It seems to be a persistent stereotype based on comments in this thread.

Always happy to learn, will watch this documentary you talked about tonight.
 
My 2 favourite looks:
Re: that 2nd image, with the multiple threads designed across the body, I wish he would’ve went further with that in this collection.

And those coats with the alternating textures and textiles are truly a work of art. The work of a true master.

My only complaint about Dries in recent times was that he wasn’t adding anything much that his current customers don’t already have, or would WANT to have, but he definitely made up for that in this collection.

Bravo, Baron!
 
Every high-end fashion brand does their embroidery in India. Even couture (the sample might be done in Paris but the actual couture pieces ordered by clients are done in India).

And if it's not done in India then it's done by machine in China.

In full defence of Dries and further to the above:

If you happen to read carefully Dries's labels, you'll realise that he's very open about the origin of his production lines: made in India for embroidered accessories (unless the embroidery is part of a garment) and screen printed silks (I have one); Morocco for suiting; Hungary for shirts...
Do the people at Balenciaga do the same, by any chance?
 
In full defence of Dries and further to the above:

If you happen to read carefully Dries's labels, you'll realise that he's very open about the origin of his production lines: made in India for embroidered accessories (unless the embroidery is part of a garment) and screen printed silks (I have one); Morocco for suiting; Hungary for shirts...
Do the people at Balenciaga do the same, by any chance?

Uh, I'm not the one who was attacking Dries for his production in India.
 
I did see your other posts and thought they were based on a lack of information on how this particular brand works re: their Indian production. It seems to be a persistent stereotype based on comments in this thread.

It’s pretty understandable to weigh out on the fact that the cost of production in India is likely far lower than in Italy, where production often takes place for RTW — thus raising the question of increased margins. It is a fact which is totally uncorrelated to the skills of Indian textile workers. How is this considered a stereotype?
 
Gorgeous, and love the movement from dark to light. Elegant throughout. :crush:
 
always unapologetic and amazing how he plays with prints, fabrics, textures. a feast in terms of creativity and experiment.

it does reminisce of Margiela but it’s beautifully done and still original.

I would also love to see him designing for another brand. Dior would be an amazing challenge imo.
 
The menswear collection was a clear sign of improvement after a few seasons of identity crisis…this is the confirmation I needed: he’s back. Look 17 alone just floods me with happiness, his modern take on elegance is what is needed right now more than ever. Not all of it is perfect but I really missed that ethereal librarian aesthetic that only Dries can execute.
 
It’s pretty understandable to weigh out on the fact that the cost of production in India is likely far lower than in Italy, where production often takes place for RTW — thus raising the question of increased margins. It is a fact which is totally uncorrelated to the skills of Indian textile workers. How is this considered a stereotype?

The first comment on this subject stated that embroidery being done in India was a "negative" with no further context, then the next reiterated it claiming that the initial comment didn't refer to quality but concerns about "overmarketing" and workers being "underpaid with bad working conditions".

All three claims/implications - quality, misleading marketing, poor working conditions - were misinformed and clearly based on stereotypes (that "made in India" labels on luxury clothing are hidden because of poor perception in favour of countries where the "heritage" has better publicity, that Dries does this, and that the workers who do the DvN embroidery are poorly paid) and lack of information about this specific label, which I corrected. I hope that makes it clear.

Yes, the margins would be higher on production based in India, but it's also a fact that for certain types of embroidery (e.g. on leather), India is in fact the only place that it can be done at all, so there are reasons to go there beyond just cost-cutting. If a brand is honest about where its production is done (which DvN have been), keeps up quality (which they have, in my experience - it's the responsibility of the label not to demand that factories cut corners) and treats/pays its workers fairly, it deserves to have those taken into consideration.

I hope we can return to discussing the collection now. He's back on form in a way that I haven't seen since pre-pandemic, that Stussy collab hopefully was the last purge of whatever the bad juju was to get it away from the mainline - and in that case, I'm very glad he did it!
 

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