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Hmmm I did run across something...I am trying to dig it up again. On a similar note- Can anyone suggest any French fashion magazines? I would like to order some but i would appreciate some pointers! I am particularly interested in the slightly more alternative/bohemian thing, so not too high fashion or mainstream please :)
 
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Parisian women — adapt or adopt?
By Natasha Fraser-Cavassoni

Friday, March 2, 2007
PARIS: Each fashion season seems to generate It fever. A dedicated follower has to have the It item, whether the blouse, skirt, dress or shoe is suitable to her attributes or age.

But elite Parisians, at least traditionally, have stood clear of such fashion victim behavior.

"Parisian women are less quick to jump on a fashion band wagon," says the director Sofia Coppola. "They also like looking like women," unlike other places, where the style icon finds that 40-year-olds "are dressing the same as teenagers."

Reputedly, Parisians adapt fashion to their own styles and needs but never vice versa.

The actress Farida Khelfa, for instance, the former muse of Azzedine Alaïa and Jean Paul Gaultier, is enthusiastic about the return of high-waisted baggy pants "because I have tons of pairs and feel comfortable in them." But she will continue to steer clear of the mini length and the "girly dresses" because "they don't suit." "Knowing what works on you is key to achieving your look," she says.

Pamela Golbin, the curator of the Musée de la Mode et du Textile, offers that, as with everything in Paris, "it all dates back to Versailles." The aristocracy showed their flair through their appearance, with the king's mistresses having accessories named for them, she said.

Flashing a few centuries forward, to the journals of the couturiers Charles Frederick Worth and Paul Poiret, "French clients would modify their entire designs" because the clients felt they knew their own shapes, while the American clients would never touch one detail, Golbin said.

According to Inès de la Fressange, the former model and designer who is now the ambassador for Roger Vivier's revival, Parisians are just as proud to "transform and renew" old pieces as they are "to mix styles, periods, labels and non-labels" and are never scared of "being out of fashion."

"I think we're raised to be against the total look," says Mathilde Agostinelli, Prada's news and public relations manager in France and a recognized hostess. (Nicolas and Cecilia Sarkozy, Rothschilds and power members of le gratin, or the upper crust, are regulars in her home.) "We have less fear in stating our individuality," she says, adding, "We're less obsessed about owning the 'it' item."

In her opinion, the style setters like Carine Roitfeld of French Vogue make a point of not following the trends — "because when it's fashionable, she's already over it."

On the other hand, Pia de Brantes, a loyal Christian Lacroix client, says she has seen "quite a few fashion victims among the younger set." And as she organizes events for the luxury giant PPR, she is in contact with le tout Paris. "The young appear to be so influenced by the fashion models and are terribly label conscious. I see it with my teenage daughter: It's all about le petit truc de H & M, Zara and the bag from Gerard Darel."

Jean Touitou, the creator and owner of the fashion label APC (Ateliers de production et de Creation), is blunt about the situation: "That whole image of the cultivated chic Parisian who's a snob about her clothes — she's become a phantom." Touitou describes women who are "just elegant in themselves" as a rarefied breed, mostly because "the Anglo-Saxon's obsession with the It bag and so forth has seeped into Paris."

This of course, contrasts with de la Fressange's belief that "congratulate a French woman on her jacket and she'll immediately explain it's 100 years old." She asserts that Parisians, first and foremost, want to be respected for "their intellect and personality," dismissing fashion as frivolous.

The actor Rupert Everett, who speaks flawless French, says he has a fondness for all that "bluestocking mentality" but views de la Fressange's comments as "old guard" and that Parisians "have become just as victim-y as everyone else."

Frédéric Malle, the perfumer, agrees French women are having a "style identity crisis."

"France is still No. 1 in terms of fashion — there's no question," says the New York-based creator of the Editions de Parfums, the elite scent line. "But nowadays the younger women are less specific and too buzz sensitive. Internet-like, they zap from one thing to another and because they lack focus on themselves they are much more vulnerable to fashion."

In general, he says, there is "a terror of getting it wrong."

Jeans are often mentioned as an example of the change.

Fifteen years ago, they were strictly reserved for the weekend but now Parisian women wear them to elegant dinner parties. "And it drives my husband mad," de Brantes acknowledges.

The actress Marisa Berenson senses there is a "general lack of glamour in comparison to New York and Hollywood" and longs for "a return to more sophistication and elegance."

But Berenson senses that "the dressing down" is "very linked to the troubled political and economic climate" in Paris.

As for the endless jeans, they may be one way of "maintaining fashion's youth factor" but Berenson, the granddaughter of Elsa Schiaparelli, offers that they are "not always to be recommended," adding impishly, "I mean, haven't we already done that?"
 
Actually, when I went to Paris--people tend to be more casual, yet chic and sexy and soooo effortless. It's almost as if they're not trying and they're just born with it!
 
kissmesweet said:
Actually, when I went to Paris--people tend to be more casual, yet chic and sexy and soooo effortless. It's almost as if they're not trying and they're just born with it!

^How so, kissmesweet? Any images/explanations?
 
luvmelots1983 said:
^How so, kissmesweet? Any images/explanations?

Perfect skin (seemingly without the help of makeup), hair that's never perfectly neat, never overdoing it with the accessories. It does seem effortless and I truly believe they were kind of 'born into it', per se---born into a culture that idealizes the joy of living (joie de vivre) without placing too much emphasis on stressing about changing yourself. They work with what they have, which ends up being a much more effective way to look good naturally than forcing a certain look that doesn't quite suit you. I thought the men and women in Paris were some of the most beautiful in the world because it seems like they're not trying. Living in Paris for a month completely changed my outlook on beauty/routine/style.
 
Yes, thanks Virginielle. :D

Per some suggestions at the very beginnging of this thread, I bought A Guide To Elegance today by Genevieve Antoine Dariaux and cannot wait to read it tonight!
 
I love that article -thanks for posting it twin star.

Some of it’s main points, to me, emphasize the true nature of dressing stylishly, regardless of one’s nationality.

The difference between dressing stylishly and dressing fashionably is to me highlighted in the following quotes.

twin star said:
Reputedly, Parisians adapt fashion to their own styles and needs but never vice versa.

twin star said:
"Knowing what works on you is key to achieving your look,"

twin star said:
..., "French clients would modify their entire designs" because the clients felt they knew their own shapes, while the American clients would never touch one detail, ....

These quotes sum up my idea of what a stylish person should be. A Stylish person knows what suits them, and goes out shopping for that. They don’t go see what the designers have done, and try to figure out a way they might be able to pull it off, or get away with it. They know exactly what shapes, cuts, and colors look good on them, and buy those items in the best quality they can afford.

It’s about power. Who is in control- you or the designer? Are you saying- this is what I want, I will find a designer that does that?

Or are you saying This is what the designers are doing, I will try to want that- I will try to wear that regardless of whether it suits me.


I like this quote as well

twin star said:
"congratulate a French woman on her jacket and she'll immediately explain it's 100 years old." .... Parisians, first and foremost, want to be respected for "their intellect and personality," dismissing fashion as frivolous.

A way I think of it is- a fashionable person might think “this is my balenciaga Jacket” a stylish person would think “this is my black leather jacket” They own it and it is representative of them-

They are not a representative of the designer
 
^Beautifully said. Virginielle, you're so lucky to have lived there and learned. Unfortunately, I spent an entire summer in Paris and came away with nothing at all - I was only 17 and cared nothing for learning about elegance and style... what a wasted opportunity... I'd give anything to redo that now. :(
 
luvmelots1983 said:
^Beautifully said. Virginielle, you're so lucky to have lived there and learned. Unfortunately, I spent an entire summer in Paris and came away with nothing at all - I was only 17 and cared nothing for learning about elegance and style... what a wasted opportunity... I'd give anything to redo that now. :(

Aw, think of it this way...now if you ever go back, you can spend all of your time focusing on elegance and style because you already know your way around the city and won't have to waste your time on that! ;)
 
Hahahahah, well put, Cosmogrl! I actually did, when I went back last August... I had my eyes peeled for fashionistas everywhere.... too bad it was August and apparently that's the month all native Parisians flee to the South. Damn. B) But yes... next time. :)
 
james said:
but it can't be like that only French are the people who, in general, have less appetite...and all th eother Europeans are different. my friend, who lived in France for one and half years says that people there eat only three times a day, but when they eat,they eat big 5-course meals.is this true? what do the French eat? this isn't really meant as offensive or anything, I'm just very keen to know :flower:
They consume healthier meals, usually home cooked. When you eat a lot your stomach gets use to more food. The less you eat, the quicker you are satisfied. Americans are generally known to over eat, therefore can consume much more food.
 
The difference between the eating habits of Americans and the French (although really I only refer to the Parisians I witnessed) is enormous. Any/every meal takes much longer in France. Fast food is a novelty that the majority of the population ignores. (Note: this is based completely upon observation and I do not claim to be an expert on the inner workings of the culture, so please, if you're French, feel free to correct me.) I got used to it eventually, like not waiting anxiously for the check or for the waiter to take your order. Taking your time is a priority in France, and I believe that they're better off that way. The food itself, even when simpler, just tastes better when you've got the time to enjoy it. I can't really explain why. I felt SO much healthier in Paris. I think that because we (Americans) are always in such a terrible rush we lose sight of the things that really matter.

This was a much more in-depth response to the original reply than I had intended. Eating in Paris is different than in the states because it's a completely different lifestyle (and we've got those Anglo Saxon neuroses to thank for it). I don't think that it's because they eat less or because their stomaches are smaller, but because they relish what they're eating/doing and have a sense of moderation without forcing it.

I aspire to/agree with almost everything French (be it eating, dressing, socializing, etc.), but am conscious that I'll never be truly assimilated because of where I've grown up. I view my time spent in France as a really educational fieldtrip during which I realized the manner in which I wanted to spend the rest of my life. Needless to say, I was impressed. I guess you just have to go in order to 'get it'.
 
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Virginielle- it sounds so perfect- Like the way people are supposed to live- I hope someday I can visit Paris and see what you mean
 
stilettogirl84 said:
These quotes sum up my idea of what a stylish person should be. A Stylish person knows what suits them, and goes out shopping for that. They don’t go see what the designers have done, and try to figure out a way they might be able to pull it off, or get away with it. They know exactly what shapes, cuts, and colors look good on them, and buy those items in the best quality they can afford.

well said. :flower:

btw i hope my question won't offend anyone but what do you think of Sofia Coppola's view that paris women all dress the same. is that good or not?:unsure:
 
I haven't read the quote in its context, but I think it is 50/50. Similarity can be good if it means that they all have a sense of elengance. However, it can also mean dressing like clones.
 
Virginielle said:
The difference between the eating habits of Americans and the French (although really I only refer to the Parisians I witnessed) is enormous. Any/every meal takes much longer in France. Fast food is a novelty that the majority of the population ignores. (Note: this is based completely upon observation and I do not claim to be an expert on the inner workings of the culture, so please, if you're French, feel free to correct me.) I got used to it eventually, like not waiting anxiously for the check or for the waiter to take your order. Taking your time is a priority in France, and I believe that they're better off that way. The food itself, even when simpler, just tastes better when you've got the time to enjoy it. I can't really explain why. I felt SO much healthier in Paris. I think that because we (Americans) are always in such a terrible rush we lose sight of the things that really matter.

This was a much more in-depth response to the original reply than I had intended. Eating in Paris is different than in the states because it's a completely different lifestyle (and we've got those Anglo Saxon neuroses to thank for it). I don't think that it's because they eat less or because their stomaches are smaller, but because they relish what they're eating/doing and have a sense of moderation without forcing it.

I aspire to/agree with almost everything French (be it eating, dressing, socializing, etc.), but am conscious that I'll never be truly assimilated because of where I've grown up. I view my time spent in France as a really educational fieldtrip during which I realized the manner in which I wanted to spend the rest of my life. Needless to say, I was impressed. I guess you just have to go in order to 'get it'.

^ I 1000000% agree, Virginelle! That's exactly how I feel... they don't live to work there, there work to live. And so they do... they really enjoy their life... There's a term for it "savoir faire" and "joie de vivre" that dont have direct translations into English, but roughly translate into them really knowing how to live and living it well.
It's true that they eat only 3 meals there (sometimes skipping breakfast) but they eat very well. They don't believe in low-fat, fat-free, etc. Rather, they use/enjoy heavy creams, oils, fats. The thing is though that it's all done in moderation. There's absolutely no "snacking" and nit-picking between meals. When they sit to eat, they really enjoy it. Meals can take up to two hours.... in fact, lots of Americans think service there is slow and sluggish, but the truth is, that's what to expect. We foreigners are probably the only ones needing the service to be so quick and who expect to be "in and out"; Parisians sit, order wine, TALK, and EAT VERY SLOWLY. The way we live here in the US in conducive to eating fast-food on the go because we're rushing to go home/work/school/pick up the kids. There, every bite is savored... and as everyone can probably agree... when you eat slowly and savor every mouthful, you eat a lot less, as you feel satisfied much more quickly. When you're eating very quickly and shovelling food down your throat, you eat much more than your body actually needs, because you're not giving your mind enough time to realize that your body is full. By the time you realize it, you've overeaten.:(

Eating slowly is key. And again, I'm not French so this all comes from books, movies, etc. However, I am dating a guy from Paris (and have been for 2 years) and he tells me the same thing all the time. When I eat with his family, it's usually an event, from 2pm to 5. No joke. :lol:

Anyway, hope this post isnt too much to read... I just kinda started talking and couldnt stop! :) But like you, Virginielle.... GAWD, I wish I was French!:woot:
 
I recently visited a French restaurant here at Finland, where the owner was French. I adore eating "the French style". I think we ate for about five hours, and had seven courses of food. However, each of the courses were small. You would get enough of everything, and feel absolutely filled up after that, although the actual amount of food you had consumed wasn't much. And I love French cheese :crush:

Hmm, going off-topic very fast.

I agree with what others have said. The key to "French elegance" is quality, not quantity. This applies to everything, from clothes to make-up to beauty products to food... I think following this rule makes you feel pretty pampered.
 
I didn't realize how much this thread has influenced me until today. I wanted to wear something new for tonight because my friends and I are going out for my birthday. I figured I would get a cheap new top and ran into Forever 21. I tried on some things and didn't care for them and was going to buy a cheap top. I stood in line with it and then kept thinking how much the quality stunk and that even though it was cheap, why spend ANY money on something of poor quality? So...I put it back and decided to work with the basics that I already have. Time to get ready! :D
 

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