Haute Couture Clients

^ That is most interesting.

Just wanted to note that Nan Kempner made sure she was a sample size so she could buy from the runway at a discount.

I always wonder about the dresses that have to be seriously altered ... a lot of women in Hollywood are very short.
 
^ That is most interesting.

Just wanted to note that Nan Kempner made sure she was a sample size so she could buy from the runway at a discount.

I always wonder about the dresses that have to be seriously altered ... a lot of women in Hollywood are very short.

well, just from the reality show, the rachel zoe project, we saw where she got a number of off-the-runway couture gowns altered -- including sleeves removed, trains altered, etc. -- for her clients (in their homes no less) days before the event.
 
^ So what I'm wondering is, what happens to them after that? Can they be sold that way? Do they even try? :unsure: Just write them off??
 
I was wondering the same thing. In the Couture in Editorials thread, Katy Perry was wearing a few pieces, and when I saw her in the Gaultier, I gasped in horror because she is so short, her legs looked like stumps compared to how it looked on the runway. What would they do with that dress afterwards?
 
Out of public eye, Arab women power haute couture

They are rarely spotted on the front row of a fashion show and favour discretion when placing orders, yet wealthy women from the Middle East have become the world's biggest buyers of high fashion.The trend may surprise given that many Arab women, particularly in the Gulf region, are traditionally kept under wraps.
But their social calendar, which usually consists of 15-20 weddings a year and private parties every month, creates much bigger demand for couture than the occasional charity ball and high society party in Europe and in North America.
MONEY'S NO OBJECT
And wearing the same dress twice is not an option.
Traditional buyers of exclusive designer clothes tend to include members of rich industrial or royal families and expatriates. The biggest buyers of haute couture today centre on the Gulf - Saudis, Kuwaitis, Qataris and nationals of the United Arab Emirates who do not hesitate to spend $75,000 on a low-cleavage lame for an event where no men will be present.
"All the royal families of the Middle East are our customers," Catherine Riviere, head of haute couture at Christian Dior, said at the brand's show at Paris Fashion Week which ended Wednesday.
Middle Eastern customers have also recently shown growing support for Lebanese designers such as Elie Saab and Zuhair Murad.
Fashion executives say the Middle East is likely to remain the top couture client for the foreseeable future if the economic environment deteriorates in Europe and North America.
The luxury goods industry has not been hit by the global slowdown but many analysts fear it will not come out of the downturn unscathed, particularly if China's growth starts to slow down. "Women from the Middle East are our top buyers and they are likely to remain so," said Jeffry Aronsson, who became chief executive of Emanuel Ungaro three months ago, having run Donna Karan, Oscar de la Renta and Marc Jacobs in the past.
Reem, the daughter of a major construction tycoon in the Middle East, spends much of her time flitting between Paris, London, Dubai and Beirut and is a regular buyer of couture. She has also started to design some of her own jewelry.
Hoping to stand out
"I want to be different from others," she said in an interview at her Paris flat in the leafy 16th arrondissement, asking to be identified only by her first name. "What I want is unique pieces, extravagant and chic. I do not want to pay 5,000 or 6,000 euros for a dress, as it happened to me with a Pucci outfit recently, and see it on somebody else the same evening."
Generally at weddings in Gulf countries, men and women are split into two separate groups, attendees say. Thousands of women gather together in one big ballroom - all wearing haute couture - and some are not afraid to wear provocative and revealing outfits.
REVEALING LOOKS
"Some women go for deep cleavage or even transparent fabrics," said Reem, who regularly attends such weddings and buys between 30 and 40 designer dresses a year. At a royal wedding, the dress code calls for more restraint in terms of style, neckline and hemline.

Valued at 700 million euros ($950 million), designer clothing is by far the biggest segment of the luxury goods industry representing 42 per cent of overall luxury goods sales in the UAE, the biggest buyer among Gulf states, with women's designer dresses and skirts leading the way, Euromonitor International said in a report published in June.
"For us, with China, the Middle East is the market that is growing the fastest," Hermes chief executive Patrick Thomas said at Paris Fashion Week. "These markets for a long time preferred a more ostentatious type of luxury and now want a more refined and discreet style," he added.
Thomas said the Middle East only started to pick up strongly two to three years ago and now generates 30-35 per cent in annual sales growth a year.
NO ROOM FOR ERROR
For Dior, Chanel, Valentino, Stephane Rolland and other luxury labels favoured by affluent Middle Eastern women, the biggest challenge is keeping a detailed track record of who buys what, to avoid selling the same dress to members of the same circles, attending the same event.
"A good retailer must know the whole family of the buyer and ask her as many questions as possible as we are not allowed to make mistakes," said a Dior sales assistant based in Western Europe, specializing in the brand's Middle Eastern clientele.
Very often, the race was on for the most expensive dress, not for the most elegant or stylish, she said, declining to be named.
With weddings lasting three, and sometimes up to seven, days each client needs at least five to 10 different outfits - good news for fashion companies but complicated to keep track of. "Of course, we cannot centralize everything but we try," said the Dior sales assistant.
For Middle Eastern women, couture is a symbol of social status and success. At parties and weddings, they want to shine and impress potential mothersin-law scouting for eligible brides. Fashion experts say Middle Eastern women opt for dresses which use a lot of crystals, gems or heavily embroidered and embellished fabrics.
"I had the opportunity to see a wedding that was recently held here in Dubai. Four thousand women were invited to the reception and everybody in the room was wearing haute couture," said Simon Lock, who works as creative director for Dubai Fashion Week. "And there are lots and lots of weddings to attend. The wedding season is very expensive here.
"I have known of many occasions when a couturier will be invited to a private home for a showing. The hostess will buy maybe 20, 30 couture outfits for a season," said Lock, adding that prices start at $3,000 and can reach $75,000. A Dior wedding dress can fetch $1 million.
Dior, Chanel and many other major luxury brands also stage private shows at hotels in the Middle East or in the homes of their customers.
-Reuters.com

Wearing a dress a second time is not an option.
 
^thanks a lot for posting that, it was a very interesting read. It also felt a bit strange, considering this time of crisis.
 
Interesting article. It's a little bit shocking how much they buy but also obvious that they usually have no taste and opt for the flashier outfits just to impress their circle.
 
^ I think they have an exquisite taste buying couture actually...
 
Most of the busy little activities wrapped around HC mean nothing to its true clientele.

All that matters is the vision of the ultra-expensive brand name to impress your social circle. Taste has very little to do with it.

This is expecially important in areas with low social capital and a lot of rich 'robber barons'.
 
^^I shouldn't be so quick in judging them but by they way this article portrays them, they buy couture to show their social status and usually choose the flashiest and most embellished outfits. They don't buy it because they appreciate the craftsmanship and the timelessness of these clothes. Just because someone buys the most expensive clothes in the world it doesn't mean they have exquisite taste.
 
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^^I shouldn't be so quick in judging them but by they way this article portrays them, they buy couture to show their social status and usually choose the flashiest and most embellished outfits. They don't buy it because they appreciate the craftsmanship and the timelessness of these clothes. Just because someone buys the most expensive clothes in the world it doesn't mean they have exquisite taste.

How do you know they don't buy it because of the craftsmanship, the woman in the interview said she bought couture because she wants something nobody else has and she designs her own jewellery, even.

It might be so that that most of the rich arabs like a special aesthetic of attire, but it doesnt mean they only buy couture to look 'flashy'... I think most women wearing couture have a sense of style and taste. it might be different from our aesthetic in the west but it is not lesser.

since we have a very limited view into the world of couture, we can't really judge the people that spend enormous amounts of money on their clothes.

I think it's fantastically chic to spend one million on a gown that a woman might only use one evening. that to me is something dreams are made of. just think about the opulance during these 'parties', all the gowns all the jewellry, it must be an amazing view.

taste and style is different in different parts of the world. :flower:
 
^You are right that since this iks the Middle East we are talking about women might have a different, more embellished and flashy taste. It's just they want to buy the most expensive gowns to impress mother-in-laws that puts me off. But I guess since this is a completely different culture I can't really understand their traditions.
 
Very often, the race was on for the most expensive dress, not for the most elegant or stylish, she said, declining to be named.

The most expensive dresses are the beaded or embroidered pieces - the gowns that have the most handwork applied to them, it's just standard Keeping Up With The Joneses.
Ironically, it seems that you'd stand out most if you arrived wearing a blouse and pencil skirt.
 
^yes, but doesn't your quote mean: one gets the most expenisve dress and the others elegant and stylish?
 
OK, there's something wrong with this article :ermm: It mentions repeatedly thousands of women in a room all wearing haute couture, and then specifically 4000 women wearing haute couture at a single event.

Are there really that many Middle Eastern customers of true haute couture? Or do they simply mean made to measure? Elie Saab for instance is not true haute couture, correct?
 
^ yeah i don't believe there's 4000 women actually wearing haute couture either. I mean I know they're filthy rich from their oil and other business ventures where people are literally handing over money for a small drop of fossil fuel, but even then that's such a high number. And given the information re: exclusitivity, the fashion houses combined cannot possibly come up with 4K looks altogether for one season.
 
^^I shouldn't be so quick in judging them but by they way this article portrays them, they buy couture to show their social status and usually choose the flashiest and most embellished outfits. They don't buy it because they appreciate the craftsmanship and the timelessness of these clothes. Just because someone buys the most expensive clothes in the world it doesn't mean they have exquisite taste.

all of the above could apply to people in the West, or anywhere in the world who buy, say, RTW pieces. i wouldn't be suprised if an overwhelming number of even RTW customers only buy for the label.

and i'm pretty sure women in the west who buy couture do it to show their status too. you can buy beautifully custom made dresses for a lot less (though still a lot) than the prices the couture houses charge.

and when people dress for events, everyone hopes to look their best, to make good impressions, whether it be on 'future mother-in-laws', potential business partners, friends. different people just have different taste
 

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