"Intellectual fashion"

[blueorchid]

sorry i never seen this on here in the discussions

we must read different forums then

 

[PDFSD]

we must read different forums then

different point of views i guess or if you have examples i missed reading happy to read

 

[Squizree]

I think there's a lot of noise around these kinds of topics of what fashion is "supposed to be". Intellectualism is simply when the artist or designer pursues the abstract in their work, instead of the material. It's precisely what makes Prada more "intellectual" than DSquared. Whether it's the technique or the styling or the silhouette, there's an emphasis on an idea rather than a 'look'. There's more substance to it. There's sentiment.

But this doesn't mean that non-intellectual fashion is any less engaging. I've never made it a secret that I love Versace, a fashion house that's far more concerned with the external, and often the frivolous, than the abstract. But clothes are ultimately just threads and fibers. Fashion is inherently frivolous by nature. But whenever it can be something more than that, it's a plus!

 

[Snejana Onopka]

well said everything .
I don't think Blazy gets a lot of critic he is very much liked and maybe even loved. it's mostly very pleasing on first sight what he does is joyful and colorful and happy all thing that do well on a 3 second attention span IG screen.

I disagree that he does not align himself with art world via the cerebral route as an aesthetic to adopt and be associated with why have art chairs and a floor done by artist or sculptures in middle of show set or music that is like city soundscapes in a trilogy etc all things borrowed from art making even the concept of first 3 shows , doing the manifesto bottega books etc his on IG

scroll on his Ig you see art mostly expensive artist that he later used in his house & his EX or designing or just what he post over the years it's not outsiders art for sure lol

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fully agreed, the general public perception of him/the fashion industry's reception of him are very positive and welcoming. the heat i was referring to mostly comes from tfs' users. ppl get so nasty when it comes him and im always confused, bc his work and public persona are not that remarkable and polarizing.

partially agree on the art world comment haha blazy like most designers, from gianni to rei, likes to do drop a little art reference in their collections (fashion sometimes has this thing for clinging onto the art world to legitimize itself as a serious field). imo MB is just someone who likes art and is very careful in curating this """aura of good taste""" through very specific artists/art. tho i should say that reading your comment, made me kinda agree that sometimes he aligns himself with the art world in way that seems intelectual (the manifesto books 😭)

on another note i just think its very funny that we, on TFS, are having long debates about blazy and his work, when his output is average at best: from his shallow takes on craft to his stiff clothing, nothing about him should elicit this much discourse lol its like discussing the complexity of a PB and jelly sandwich

 

[MulletProof]

on another note i just think its very funny that we, on TFS, are having long debates about blazy and his work, when his output is average at best: from his shallow takes on craft to his stiff clothing, nothing about him should elicit this much discourse lol its like discussing the complexity of a PB and jelly sandwich

I truly, bottom of my heart, cannot remember a single thing he’s ever done, I don’t remember ever been stopped on my tracks like ‘hmm wonder who made that!’ ‘who’s the person designing this!’… and if someone could do some collage for dummies and a quick, one-post summary, that would be great cause for some reason, googling this feels like.. work, and like it demands energy I just don’t have. 🦦

 

[blueorchid]

on another note i just think its very funny that we, on TFS, are having long debates about blazy and his work, when his output is average at best: from his shallow takes on craft to his stiff clothing, nothing about him should elicit this much discourse lol its like discussing the complexity of a PB and jelly sandwich

This is the same forum that has hundreds of pages devoted to Sabato De Sarno. Certain users sure seem to love discussing every breath these "basic gays" take.

 

[PDFSD]

fully agreed, the general public perception of him/the fashion industry's reception of him are very positive and welcoming. the heat i was referring to mostly comes from tfs' users. ppl get so nasty when it comes him and im always confused, bc his work and public persona are not that remarkable and polarizing.

partially agree on the art world comment haha blazy like most designers, from gianni to rei, likes to do drop a little art reference in their collections (fashion sometimes has this thing for clinging onto the art world to legitimize itself as a serious field). imo MB is just someone who likes art and is very careful in curating this """aura of good taste""" through very specific artists/art. tho i should say that reading your comment, made me kinda agree that sometimes he aligns himself with the art world in way that seems intelectual (the manifesto books 😭)

on another note i just think its very funny that we, on TFS, are having long debates about blazy and his work, when his output is average at best: from his shallow takes on craft to his stiff clothing, nothing about him should elicit this much discourse lol its like discussing the complexity of a PB and jelly sandwich

Absolutely most designers buy art and nice furniture and houses Yves to Valentino Versace etc its part of the trophy life of getting rich and expanding on your taste and yes incorporat it even into their work.
But difference is, it was always estetica adoption (for these type of designers that don't play the intelual alignment game) as in decoration without further ambiguity of the insertion or alignment to the artist other than beauty and prestige. honest and authentic approach.

Miuccia for longest time said to not wanted to collab with an artist even if her approach to clothes is like an artist that constantly asks questions regarding society and going against her own taste and pushing boundaries etc her art and movie tase reflects in her clothes and show spaces and adv etc its an complete world and she states her questions and takes an point of view with her output there is no mystery left to speculate that its a Thinking Brand its even part of the ig brand description. Jil Lang Margiela Yamamoto etc fall in same mind first approach.

Blazy represents more creative directors that remind me of zombie formalism art coat tailing on the aura of good taste via modern thinking art/ “mediocre” abstraction of conceptual ideas, without the process/experimentation of raising questions or trying to answer them via the outcome of the work like prada Jil Lang Margiela Yamamoto etc .

Its just ref. these designers final looks only via aesthetics but not the concepts/thinking process behind it.

All no different than zombie formalism paintings that superficially appear to be edgy and new but are in fact very much within a long standing tradition of modern abstract art that sells pretty well much like modern fashion of Loewe ne bottega and all the Phoebe &co zombies plaguing

Its shallow and it makes for culture to go backwards it's actually anti intellectual as you don't have to think not needed it just looks interesting/intelligent but says nothing....... take things as the are dished up but don't ask for integrity of idea.

no critical thinking aloud

 

[Snejana Onopka]

I truly, bottom of my heart, cannot remember a single thing he’s ever done, I don’t remember ever been stopped on my tracks like ‘hmm wonder who made that!’ ‘who’s the person designing this!’… and if someone could do some collage for dummies and a quick, one-post summary, that would be great cause for some reason, googling this feels like.. work, and like it demands energy I just don’t have. 🦦

from the top of my head i think the most memorable thing he's done were those crystal masks from MMM artisanal AW12, that kanye wore on his yeezus tour in 2013 😭😭😭

 

[PDFSD]

This is the same forum that has hundreds of pages devoted to Sabato De Sarno. Certain users sure seem to love discussing every breath these "basic gays" take.

Thank goodness we have Demna now at Gucci to bring Fashionability and some Concept back in to the shallow waters Ancora made for the brand already hanging by the treads of questionable taste :-)
*i am joking of course

Ancora you can't deny it was entertaining and shocking how low can you go with basicness he brought that made Frida years look like a iconic compared to him

 

[MulletProof]

from the top of my head i think the most memorable thing he's done were those crystal masks from MMM artisanal AW12, that kanye wore on his yeezus tour in 2013 😭😭😭

I have zero recollection of that. I’ve never paid much attention to post-2011 Kanye-related anything..

 

[Squizree]

Blazy represents more creative directors that remind me of zombie formalism art coat tailing on the aura of good taste via modern thinking art/ “mediocre” abstraction of conceptual ideas, without the process/experimentation of raising questions or trying to answer them via the outcome of the work like prada Jil Lang Margiela Yamamoto etc .

I think Burton would also fall into this category of formalist fashion that's much more concerned with technique and composition rather than 'meaning' or storytelling to the point where their work can often seem wooden. But, paradoxically, technique itself is inherently meaningful to human creativity and our pursuit of beauty. I think there's just a saturation of it right now, undoubtedly informed by contemporary economic forces.

 

[Snejana Onopka]

This is the same forum that has hundreds of pages devoted to Sabato De Sarno. Certain users sure seem to love discussing every breath these "basic gays" take.

sabato's thread is medieval dance plagues levels of mass psychogenic illness with generous dashes of sadism lol i may be talking out of my *** rn but i felt like there was a LOOOT of projection, some ppl wanted to see him fail bc deepdown they were thinking "how come this 'basic gay' got the gucci job ?? it should've been ME !! I AM a better 'basic gay' than him !! "

Blazy represents more creative directors that remind me of zombie formalism art coat tailing on the aura of good taste via modern thinking art/ “mediocre” abstraction of conceptual ideas, without the process/experimentation of raising questions or trying to answer them via the outcome of the work like prada Jil Lang Margiela Yamamoto etc

tbh one of the main culprits for this empy and pretentious approach to fashion is RAF, he always tries to make his art references speak for himself instead of letting his work do the job (sorry just rewatched dior and I and now i want to whack raf every chance i get 😭😭😭)

 

[blueorchid]

i felt like there was a LOOOT of projection, some ppl wanted to see him fail bc deepdown they were thinking "how come this 'basic gay' got the gucci job ?? it should've been ME !! I AM a better 'basic gay' than him !! "

You said it, not me. 🤭