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Invisalign and/or Orthoclear braces

mellowdrama

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Hi, I searched the forum and found the topics of "Teeth Whitening", "Cosmetic Dental Surgery" and "Braces: Trendy?", but none specifically regarding the invisalign or Orthoclear systems of tooth straightening. I've been wearing invisalign since October 2005 and would love to chart my progress, share stories & tips with anyone else here who wears them or is considering wearing them. I change the trays every two weeks, and I will have worn 20 on the bottom and 35 on the top by the time I'm through with them sometime in the spring of 2007! Everything's going great so far! Here's the stills from my clin-check animations predicting my teeth's movement before and after:
 

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Ehy i'm wearing them too, i need to wear 7 on the top and 17 on the bottom.So far i'm at stage 4!
 
I want to get these .. i had regular barces but they didnt work and i didnt wer the retainer .. basicly im nearly 17 so oviously id look reiculas in proper braces again as im a bit on the old side now... anyways do these hurt more or less then regular braces .. how much do they cost ??
thanks x
 
I'm paying $5,000 of my own money, cos' I have no dental insurance. As to their hurting more or less than regular braces, I've never had regular braces to know the difference. They definitely hurt for a day or so when you first put in a new aligner, but not worse than oral surgery whilst awake on only novocaine as the dentist was listening to Rush Limbaugh on the radio (my first dental procedure, having all the impacted wisdom teeth cut out of my head at 23). And if you think you'd look silly at the ripe age of almost 17 with regular braces, try 33! Since I have a crown on a busted tooth, I can't use regular braces.

You need to comply with wearing them at least 20 hours a day, my dentist said 22 hours!--and you will lose weight from the misery of having to pop them in and out to eat. You must take meticulous care of your oral hygiene, as well. I'm at aligner 11, and I'm so used to them that I feel strange when they're not in my mouth.

Other details: your dentist or ortho will cement these little posts to your teeth to anchor the aligners on. I've got four of them all together. Also, the dentist uses this wretched concertina wire with diamond grit on it to floss between my teeth, so as to make room for the teeth to move. "Wretched concertina wire" is not the proper medical term, I'm sure, but that's my impression of it. As I've gritted most of the enamel off my teeth over the years of poverty, neglect, and Limbaugh I've endured, my teeth are incredibly sensitive. By far, this interdental stripping is the worst part of it. I have him just shoot me full of novocaine, being numb and drooling is preferable to lying there poker-rigid like Dustin Hoffman in "The Marathon Man" ("is it safe?" go figure)

Okay, so they're miserable and expensive, but look again at that "before" picture. If you've got a big streak of vanity and masochism, great insurance, rich parents, or no fear of debt, plus a penchant for dental floss, I'd say "go for it!"
 
tiamaria said:
I want to get these .. i had regular barces but they didnt work and i didnt wer the retainer .. basicly im nearly 17 so oviously id look reiculas in proper braces again as im a bit on the old side now... anyways do these hurt more or less then regular braces .. how much do they cost ??
thanks x
Are you sure they went through the procedures correctly? I had braces at 16 and instead of fixing my teeth he made them worse and misaligned my jaw because he was meant to send me to the dentist to have two teeth removed. So now I have to wear them again and I am 21 this year.

I have also read that invisalign is no way near as effective as ordinary braces (on a professional orthodontist's website), so if he did treat you correctly and nothing happened, I am sorry, but the invisalign probably won't work for you. Invisalign is normally not for teeth problems that need to be fixed; it is much more for aesthetic reasons than anything else.
 
Invisalign will work for mild to moderate crowding, class I malocclusion, which is more than just aesthetic changes. A bad bite is a bad bite, but there are worse and worst cases, I'm sure. Merely aesthetic work would be bonding/veneers that do not correct misalignments of the teeth.

Invisalign works slower than traditional braces, and admittedly won't do it for all types of bite misalignments, like class II and III malocclusion. It also cannot extrude or pull down teeth. For example, if you need to wear headgear, invisalign clearly isn't for you. I researched online to find out if I might be a candidate for invisalign. But, really, only an ortho or dentist could tell you for sure. Like anything, get more than one professional opinion, too! Both dentists I went to gave me the thumbs up, and different options (not just invisalign).

You either are a good candidate or you are not. The predicted movement is all 3D computer model-driven. Apparently, the teeth don't always move as predicted. My friend (who's also in her 30s) had to wear traditional braces for 4 months before switching to invisalign. She's been having trouble with one tooth in particular not moving; it's been very frustrating for her. Figures I have researched online say invisalign can only move teeth 5 or 6mm, but one of her lateral incisors just won't budge. I've read online that sometimes there are tough bands of connective tissue in the tooth to the jaw that can prevent good tooth movement with invisalign, and unfortunately it's unpredictable.

Also, I think a not-very-publicized percentage of invisalign patients find out they still need to wear traditional braces at the supposed "end" of their treatment with invisalign. I hope this doesn't happen with me, cos' then I'll feel like I should've gone the cheaper and faster route by just getting regular braces to begin with.

I just picked up aligners 12, 13, and 14 today, and the dentist said everything is going well. Apparently, compliance is a huge factor in the success rate. If you don't wear them as you should, the effects compound until your left with aligners that don't fit correctly and, consequently, teeth that don't move.

I will post here and give an honest report if things go in an unplanned direction, like having to wear regular braces, or having my teeth rot out of my head, etcetera. If other people who are currently wearing invisalign could also chime in with progress reports, that'd be great! Because I noticed when researcing online that much of the resources for info is from the Align company itself, which of course isn't going to tell you how many patients' cases don't go as planned, or the even pricing, never mind about the "interproximal stripping" (ouch!) that goes on.

That said, I can't tell anyone that they should or should not get Invisalign. But perhaps a little more public case histories can help someone make a more informed choice.
 
^^ in response to threads above .. its only three teeth that have moved slgihtly. So its not a major crisis.

You loose weight witht them .. lol that it im getting them. I live in the uk so im not sure how much theyd be .. we dont have medical insurance or anything. hmmm ill have to look into it.

Ill let you know if i get them
 
I REALLY want to get these!

Can anyone answer a few questions for me?

How much does medical aid pay and how much of the difference must you cover?
Can people see that you are wearing them??
When you go out to dinner where do you take them out?
 
mellowdrama said:
. I researched online to find out if I might be a candidate for invisalign. But, really, only an ortho or dentist could tell you for sure. Like anything, get more than one professional opinion, too! Both dentists I went to gave me the thumbs up, and different options (not just invisalign).

You either are a good candidate or you are not. .

Mellowdrama, where did you find info online about whether you are a good candidate or not?
 
I have pretty much the same questions for anyone who wears them.....

How visible are they? Is it obvious that you are wearing them? I am just vain enough to not want them to be obvious.
And hard or easy are they to take out to eat, etc?

Thank you!
 
"Interproximal stripping" is the dentist removing some enamel from in between the teeth with some nasty diamond grit covered floss. I hate it with a passion, as my teeth are very sensitive, but I need more space for my teeth to move in. Apparently this isn't too damaging to the teeth, as it's in between them, not on the biting surface, and I get some heavy duty fluoride treatment afterward. This gives me enough room for my teeth to slowly move with having to have teeth extracted or headgear. This is only because my teeth aren't too terribly out of alignment to begin with.

I usually hide away in a restroom somewhere if I'm eating in public to take them out. Sometimes I just put a napkin up to my face and swiftly pop them out, but this only works during the second week of wear, when they're more maneuverable. I don't think they're entirely invisible, and I don't really care. It's just much easier to keep my teeth clean with these than it would be with regular braces.

I'm paying $5000 of my own money. I read the National Health doesn't cover it in the UK. Alot of private insurance elsewhere doesn't cover it, either. I don't know much about insurance, though, so you'd have to check it out with your provider.

Here's some info I pulled from this page: http://www.dentistry.com/pbrightersmile.asp

"Appropriate Treatment: Invisalign® has been helpful in treating adult patients that present with mild to moderate spacing (1-6mm), mild to moderate crowding (5-8mm), and narrow dental arches (4-6mm). All appropriate candidates should be referred by general dentists to an orthodontist for treatment planning. Correct treatment should produce an attractive smile and a correct bite.

Inappropriate Treatment:
Children should not be treated using Invisalign®. Patients must have permanent teeth and the jaws must be growing at the same rate. Adults with multiple missing teeth, tooth decay, gum disease, Craniomandibular Disorder (formerly TMJ), erupting permanent teeth, mixed dentition, or short clinical crowns should not be treated using Invisalign®. Patients with severe crowding, deep bites, open bites, tipped teeth, unidirectional movement of an entire dental arch, or closure of a posterior open bite will all require traditional braces. Invisalign® is not recommended for patients that require multiple tooth extractions, elastics to be placed during treatment, orthognathic surgery, and other existing conditions. Invisalign® should not be used to treat some teeth while other teeth are simultaneously being treated with traditional braces. The aligners cannot lift teeth or aid tooth eruption."

I had to teach myself a bit of dental lingo, and I looked at a bunch of before and after pictures, plus talked to other patients who've had it. The company that makes them is based in Santa Clara County here in the Bay Area close to where I live, so loads of vain Californians such as myself have them here.

Again, talk to a dentist or orthodontist! Google a bunch of words like "invisalign", "orthodontics", "malocclusion classes", "proclination", do an image search and marvel at all the directions one's teeth can point in---but that's all the advice I can give you. Best of luck and I hope this info helps!
 
mellowdrama said:
Invisalign works slower than traditional braces, and admittedly won't do it for all types of bite misalignments, like class II and III malocclusion. It also cannot extrude or pull down teeth. For example, if you need to wear headgear, invisalign clearly isn't for you. I researched online to find out if I might be a candidate for invisalign. But, really, only an ortho or dentist could tell you for sure. Like anything, get more than one professional opinion, too! Both dentists I went to gave me the thumbs up, and different options (not just invisalign).
Yes, that is what I meant and as it is a lot slower it is therefore more expensive. I think that only someone who wants it for aesthetic reasons would wait that long and spend that much money just to look like they have nothing on their teeth. If it is important that they get the work done (I might need an operation if I don't) I believe they would rather get it fixed as quickly and as cheaply as possible. I would willingly sacrifice a few years to looking like a 12-year-old again in order to avoid severe jaw pains and an operation. Maybe that is just me; I don't know.


mellowdrama said:
Also, I think a not-very-publicized percentage of invisalign patients find out they still need to wear traditional braces at the supposed "end" of their treatment with invisalign.
And that is another reason why I said invisalign is not as effective as proper braces.

mellowdrama said:
Because I noticed when researcing online that much of the resources for info is from the Align company itself, which of course isn't going to tell you how many patients' cases don't go as planned, or the even pricing, never mind about the "interproximal stripping" (ouch!) that goes on.
I noticed that as well; that is why I do not completely trust this whole invisalign thing.

mellowdrama said:
I read the National Health doesn't cover it in the UK.
It has covered me, but I think you need to be in full-time education to be covered and you also have to fill in some form called HS or HN01 (or something like that) if you need teeth extracted.
 
Hi, I'm kind of new here. :) I have Invisalign too, since last summer. Just on my top teeth. I had braces twice when I was younger, once for 3-ish years as a child, then again at 18 for almost a year because my teeth had moved back. By the age of 20 my teeth had moved back again and I decided to switch orthodontists, cause this guy kind of sucked.

I found a new ortho who I really like and is really good at what he does. I decided to get Invisalign cause I was just so miserable having metal braces at 18, I refused to go through that again at 20. I believe it was in the $4-5,000 range for me too, though I'm not sure cause I'm not the one paying for it.

Invisalign is alot more comfortable, less painful, than braces. On both Invisalign and braces, the first 2-3 days are uncomfortable...with braces the first 3 days were almost unbearably painful, I was just so miserable, but with Invisalign my teeth were just kind of achey and asprin helped alot. With both of them, the day of/after getting a new retainer or tightened braces is somewhat painful from having the new tightness on you teeth. I think in both cases asprin helps and it's just something to get used to.

In response to the girl who asked if people can notice you are wearing them, it depends. When I first got mine on, my ortho glued these white little "buttons," as he calls them(the post things a girl mentioned before) onto 3 of my front teeth. They look like dots of glue, about the size of a small nerd candy, and are white. Then the retainer is molded with 3 little bubbled-out spaces to fit over the buttons. You can look on the invisalign website for pictures of them I believe. He didn't mention that I would have these, and I was really pissed, because with the buttons on the front of my teeth it was NOT invisible and I was really self conscious to talk or smile.

At my next appointment I explained to him how I felt and he said that he could put the buttons on the back of my teeth instead, and send the retainers back to be remade. We did this and he filed the buttons off my teeth, and after that I was happy. Now it is pretty much impossible to notice that I am wearing it. I can't see it in the mirror, you really can't tell unless you are looking for it or looking at my teeth from 2 inches away. So, yes, it is pretty much invisible.

Overall I am very pleased with Invisalign and would chose this over braces if I had to make the decision again. I think it is worth the money. It does give me a small lisp when I talk, but I also had a lisp from metal braces...Invisalign is great though because you can take it out if you have a big date or school presentation or something. It's a little bit of extra work, taking it out when you're eating, cleaning it, going to the ortho every 6 weeks, but you have to remember that in life you don't get something for nothing. So if you want straight teeth and can afford it, this is the easiest, most painless way to go.
 
^Thanks, raleigh! Keep us posted on how it goes!

Eurasian Mélange said:
It has covered me, but I think you need to be in full-time education to be covered and you also have to fill in some form called HS or HN01 (or something like that) if you need teeth extracted.

I would like to fill in this form, even though I'm a citizen of another country, and submit it, just to confuse things even more.:winkiss:

I will keep everyone posted on the Invisalign. Anyone else who can add in, please do.
 
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Invisible teeth brace

what do u think of this new meathoud to correct the teeth ? anyone used it???
 
are you talking about Invisalign (clear trays/retainers) or lingual braces (bracket braces BEHIND the teeth)?

Personally I had conventional mental braces and correcting my bite and crooked teeth was definitely well worth it!

From what I know (because my boyfriend is an Orthodontist):

Invisalign: are clear trays that are replaced every 4 or so weeks. They are removable and you must take them out for eating. It's about $2000US more on top of the fee for braces. This is because Invisalign is patented. The only complaint (but not really a huge one) is that the trays tend to slur the speech..so there's a slight lisp..but this is something that is easily adjusted through wear. Qualified Orthodontists normally recommend this for simple cases i.e. straightening teeth but for more complex cases i.e. massive bite correction, they usually require tradional braces.

Lingual braces: are customized braces that are placed BEHIND the teeth. They are pretty much the same as regular braces but invisible because they are behind. These braces work as well as conventional ones.

it's always best to go to an Orthodontist instead of a Dentist for braces. The difference is major. Dentists are general whereas an orthodontist actually specializes in bite correction.

Hopefully this helps!
 
I am on day 3 of invisalign and so far it is terrible!! It hurts badly and I cannot say S properly. I keep reading/hearing that the first 2-3 days are the worst so here's to hoping tomorrow is better!
 
well, was tomorrow better? I'm considering getting them and have found this thread very informative. If any of you who've posted here earlier could give us any follow-up stories, that would be cool!
 

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